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[Kingfisher]

sutters said:

Given they own the goit and land around the stones, i would have thought they would have a big say in what goes on down there.

As for your last comments are you really as much of an [edited] as you come across

I feel I should support sutters: wharfedale's remark "who cares what they have to say" is just about as personal as you can get. I am all for provocative content likely to generate discussion, but this remark from one in the admin group is inappropriate. In Matt's words "please help keep the forum a friendly place".

[nabbers]

blunt pencil said:

As for the anglers - well they would still own the land. I guess it is possible that a compulsary purchase order could be made.

Doubtful, on what grounds?

blunt pencil said:

Regarding the overall view of fishing where man pitches his wits against a haddock - well if the anglers are that desperate for fish, they could just go to morrisons. Its hardly a sport, but if thats how they weant to waste their days - good luck to them.

Very immature comments these.

blunt pencil said:

How did the fish kidnappers actually come to purchase the goit ?

Believe it or not, they bought it at auction at a fair price.

[blunt pencil]

Sorry nabbers, but yes - the comments were immature. Wharfedale has made several very good suggestions and they are just dismissed by a few. The comment from sutters was not deserved and should be repremanded, for a new member with so few posts.

I did not know how the goit had been purchased. It sounds very unfortunate that it was through auction. What short-sighted vision. As we should be harnessing the natural forms of power generation.

I gather that at one point, the goit was used as a fish farm. Is that still the case, or is it another relic

[nabbers]

The Goit was sold I think in 1969 when the Mill stopped Worsted production. It had functioned until then, feeding the turbines under the mill which was one of the first to be powered by Hydro Electricity. To create carparking in the mill premises, the goit was filled in at the Mill end and the water flow stopped and the water in the goit became static and the bed silted up. It was used to farm fish for release in the associations other waters, but is now a poorly stocked stretch of water.

Green issues were not on the agenda in 1969 when the mill estate, Greenholme farm and the river were sold off so it wasn't exactly short sighted. I guess the association view the hydro scheme as a revenue raising opportunity as someone stated above, much in the same way people allow mobile phone masts to be sited on their land.

[sutters]

In hindsight the comments were a little bit harsh and i would like to apologise to wharfedale for them. It just annoyed me that he saw fit to be negative towards the anglers who afterall are the main players down there. They as i see it will have a big say on what goes on down there and as i said earlier we do not need to alienate them.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Might it be suggested to ALL (myself included) before this debate gets out of hand, they are casting their thoughts etc on the world wide web, not just in Wharfedale. If you want sense to prevail keep that very much in mind. Some of us are better informed than others even Mr Matt. Slanging matches get nowhere apart from causing ill feeling instead of diplomacy.

[Wharfedale]

sutters said:

In hindsight the comments were a little bit harsh and i would like to apologise to wharfedale for them. It just annoyed me that he saw fit to be negative towards the anglers who afterall are the main players down there. They as i see it will have a big say on what goes on down there and as i said earlier we do not need to alienate them.

Don’t worry about it. I like a good debate / argument / scrap etc’ and it really is a good way to encourage the exploration of more aspects of the debate. I almost always tend to push the subject towards confrontation to wake people up, otherwise we will just end up talking about the weather, and never engaging in robust and lively conversation.

[appropriatebridge]

Matt said:

appropriatebridge said:

Re your response above on 7 January, presumably the Council will have scheduled the survey by now (subject to water levels). What is the survey date or window. I am just wanting to get a feeling for the timetable to manage expectations.

I would have thought so too but I have not been advised of a date. Originally December was suggested but the weather did not allow. I will drop them a reminder.

Matt - Any news on this?

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Might be better if Mr Matt sat at the door of CRoW for all the good it will do waiting for that crew to move.

[appropriatebridge]

appropriatebridge said:

Matt said:

appropriatebridge said:

Re your response above on 7 January, presumably the Council will have scheduled the survey by now (subject to water levels). What is the survey date or window. I am just wanting to get a feeling for the timetable to manage expectations.

I would have thought so too but I have not been advised of a date. Originally December was suggested but the weather did not allow. I will drop them a reminder.

Matt - Any news on this?

Matt - Has the Council replied to your reminder? It would be nice to know when their window for carrying out the survey is (subject to water levels).

Incidentally, following the article in the Ilkley Gazette on 21 january 2010, did anyone send you any photos which show the deterioration of The Stones any better than the photos I sent to you (and Jo Griffiths) with my thoughts on 14 January 2010? If so, could we see them?
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P.S. For anyone not up to speed on all this, the photos and observations I refer to above can be seen via the "Latest News" page on the SOS website at
http://saveourstones.../latestnews.htm

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Gone very quiet on this subject, I wonder why?

[appropriatebridge]

Sebastian-Smythe said:

Gone very quiet on this subject, I wonder why?

Through emails and statistics I get for the website, I know many people maintain an interest in this so I have sent the following email to Matt which is self explanatory.

"Matt

On 7 January in response to a query on the Burley forum from me regarding the survey of The Stones you said
"..... Originally December was suggested but the weather did not allow. I will drop them a reminder."

On 27 February, I asked if there was any news.

I repeated the query on 6 March and also asked if there had been any response to the article in the Ilkley Gazette where you asked for photos which demonstrated the deterioration of The Stones any better than the photos I sent to you (and Jo Griffiths) with my thoughts on 14 January 2010? and if so, could we see them.

As I realise you must be quite busy with your day job ,councillor work and running as an MP and might not get time to scrutinise the Forum too often, I also sent you a PM to let you know about this last post but I see it is still in the "outbox", hence this email to your bradford.gov.uk address. If you are on holiday, I apologise for my impatience but quite a lot of people maintain an interest in this issue and would appreciate an update."

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Mr Matt and ALL concerned about their stones should realise the Bratford crew are just that. Brats!
I know from previous experience when it comes to keeping folk upto date. They don't! There's more
lumps under their carpets than warts on a hog.

[appropriatebridge]

I have received a reply from Matt Palmer to my email of 11 March 2010 referred to below. Seemingly there is a problem with the automatic notification system which should tell Matt when he gets a private message.

1) He has received no further news as to when the survey of The Stones might be completed. I have suggested he send a reminder or phone one of his contacts.

2) There has unfortunately been no response to the article in the Ilkley Gazette asking for historical photos of The Stones. It looks as though the best available are those which I sent to Matt on 14 January 2010 along with my comments. The comments and photos can be seen vis the SOS website.

Matt obviously needs a little help in prompting the Countryside and Rights of Way people to move things along and with that in mind I am contacting supporters separately via their email addresses with a suggested form of words and the contact point. If you do not receive an email, it means I do not have your email address.

Anyone else who feels so disposed should write to Danny Jackson Countryside and Rights of Way Manager at danny.jackson@bradford.gov.uk or by post to:

Danny Jackson
Countryside and Rights of Way Manager
5th Floor North
Jacob's Well
Bradford
BD1 5RW

Please tell this Forum and/or Save Our Stones of any response.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

http://feradura.blog...10_archive.html

http://feradura.blog...31_archive.html

Have a look at these when you've time.

Might make you think twice about messing with those stones.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

http://feradura.blog...24_archive.html

............and this one also.

[appropriatebridge]

Sebastian-Smythe said:

Might make you think twice about messing with those stones.

The only "messing" being called for is a restoration to their former state whereby it was possible to use the Right of Way which exists over The Stones when water levels are low without having to paddle. This hardly seems too much to ask. Obviously when the river is in flood, as in your pictures, like in the case of stepping stones anywhere, a crossing will not be possible. Such restoration will also have no adverse effect on the passage of horse riders.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Point taken.

However I do wish said stones were referred to by their proper title.

They were, as many know, laid as part of a Currant Control Barrier.

Remember they are part of Burley's Industrial Heritage.

Something often lost on those who move to your area.

[Steve B]

What about the sultanas? Were they allowed to swim free?

[Wharfedale]

If they fell off the stones they would be in dire straights... The Sultanas of Swim.