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[Harveybos]

I don't know how many people saw this story in the Yorkshire Post at the weekend but the latest version of the Regional Spatial Strategy has just been released. http://www.yorkshire...aten.4139063.jp The implication of these proposals which, despite assurances to the contrary' seem to be pretty much carved in stone, are horendous. If you read the actual report,
http://www.goyh.gov....SS_May_2008.pdf
which is 225 pages, the wholesale release of greenbelt for development in the Leeds and Bradford area is seen as inevitable, and prime areas such as Wharfedale will be the natural choice for developers.
It seems incredible to me that with an economy on the brink of recession, a huge stockpile of unsold apartments in Leeds and Bradford, and housebuilders going out of business, that the Government are continuing on this track. What next?

[catbazza]

Even one of the most talked about local sites "High Royds" or to give the new posh name "Chevin Park" can't sell their houses & have had to lay building contractors off.

[weirdmusic]

Harveybos, on 02 June 2008 - 12:41 PM, said:

I don't know how many people saw this story in the Yorkshire Post at the weekend but the latest version of the Regional Spatial Strategy has just been released. http://www.yorkshire...aten.4139063.jp The implication of these proposals which, despite assurances to the contrary' seem to be pretty much carved in stone, are horendous. If you read the actual report,
http://www.goyh.gov....SS_May_2008.pdf
which is 225 pages, the wholesale release of greenbelt for development in the Leeds and Bradford area is seen as inevitable, and prime areas such as Wharfedale will be the natural choice for developers.................

Why haven't our local councillors flagged this up as major issue for the people of Wharfedale?
What have our councillors been doing for the last 4 years?
Did they think that it wouldn't affect Wharfedale?

Plan It Newsletter Jan 08

The figure for Bradford was 54840 - did our councillors think that none of the new dwellings would be allocated to Wharfedale?
4800 have been built in Bradford district, over the last 4 years - that leaves 50,000 to be built over the next 20 years.

[catbazza]

Our local councillor appears extremely reluctant to come forwards as quoted a number of times in the forums (plus also being mentioned in another towns forum) the cause maybe is pressure on himself to be backward in coming forward to save his career which is acceptable in someways.

BUT!, surely he could come forwards & make his presence known & give us some clue as to where he stands in this contraversial matter.

[ex-user]

I find it worrying that this forum
linked from the publicly funded
Parish Council Web Pages
is supposed to be the portal
through which local people can express their views,
yet it is owned by a politician
who
just as one can have some say in what is said
in one's own front room
has a say in what is said here.

I think a valuable gesture at this point
would be for MP to renounce
any control or interest in this forum
just as MP's hand over financial interests
for the duration of their term in office.

At the very least, every topic and heading
should carry a warning and disclaimer.
Valuable posters and opinions
have been lost
through censorship on this forum.

I hope my comments are deemed respectful
and worthy of debate.
If I should disappear
then it is because I have been banned
for speaking my mind
about an issue that affects a village
and fields that I love.

[weirdmusic]

What of Burley Parish Council - what have they been doing for the last 4 years?

They were invited to a consultation event in April 08 at Thornton School - did no one go?

What of the Parish Newsletters? Or the Neighbourhood Forum meetings?

What's been happening at the Shipley Area Panel meetings?

[ex-user]

Anyone got £3 spare for a Land Registry search?
Find out who owns the land for starters
when they bought it.
How much for.

[weirdmusic]

greenhowleadman, on 28 December 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

Anyone got £3 spare for a Land Registry search?
Find out who owns the land for starters
when they bought it.
How much for.

Waste of money - most land sales don't make it into the public domain until just before planning permission is sought & you wouldn't find out from Land Registry until 3 months after the deed has been done.

All the major housebuilders (+ the supermarkets, developers etc) have large land banks. You'll find it's nigh on impossible to discover what land they own as the vast bulk of it is done on the basis of private agreements where no money changes hands until the housebuilder or whoever wants to develop it.

[ex-user]

That interests me Weirdmusic
Promises are often broken
Are some form of promissory notes exchanged?
I heard a windfall of £4million
is due to the family for the Derry Hill Land
any day now.
Big numbers
oiling the wheels of destruction.

[weirdmusic]

greenhowleadman, on 30 December 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

That interests me Weirdmusic
Promises are often broken
Are some form of promissory notes exchanged? ..........

Don't think so.
From what I've read it seems to be legally binding contracts. There seems to be an initial valuation of the land based on its actual worth without planning permission (PP) & then an estimate of its value with PP at the exchange of contracts plus a rider that revaluation takes place annually.

How it actually works in practice, I'm not sure at the moment - more research is required.
(I'm quite sure that there will be more than one developer interested in a parcel of land - so do the sellers (perhaps via agents) use a blind auction of some description to get the highest bid).

One thing that interests me is the timescales involved - have the land banks of developers etc been built up over decades or do they acquire land as & when its required i.e. 1 to 5 years.

Bradford Council called for potential development sites in Bradford District back in 2008.
But the numbers of dwellings required by central Government to be built in Yorkshire & the individual metropolitan areas was known back in 2005/6.

So any developers had at least 2/3 years to work out the areas most likely to get PP & buy land accordingly. If they work on the longer timescales i.e. decades, then deals would have already been done. (You only need look at a map to work out the potential development areas for yourself).

[ex-user]

Mary Harrison House Builders,Pudsey
or the Estate subsidiary
bought most of the green belt North of Burley in '69,
sold some to Barrat and Redrow in '91 approx
and sold some remaining parcels off
in the late 90s.at agricultural prices.
A good investment, compensation
by Ministry of Transport
must have paid dividends

Ziggers said earlier that councilors cannot comment
yet Appropriate says Ilkley and Menston's representatives
have drawn a line in the sand.
Shame on our man!
What is he waiting for?
Speak up man
Are you for us >
or agin us?

[Sebastian-Smythe]

There's something everyone has forgotten and should really be at the forefront of battles against these proposals. HARD LANDSCAPE! For every new roof or parking space laid down there is more catchment and less holding space for rain water. Conscequently those at the other end of our rivers are going to need even more spending on flood displacement not barriers. In years past our rivers were dredged at regular intervals. I know this as a relative worked for various river boards operating their dredgers/RBs. Irrespective of where planned housing might appear drainage has to go somewhere and most often ends up in a river. Our aquifers are being depleted to the extent certain rivers are drying up and can't all be blamed on lack of rain in those areas. Over use of HARD LANDSCAPE is one of the main causes. If someone had the time it would be interesting to work out how much land would be covered in this manner by new build and that includes roads etc.

Using the pre 1974 acreage of Yorkshire, West, North and East Ridings, it works out at roughly 8 units per acre. Or to put it another way virtually all open land would be covered with HARD LANDSCAPE.

Edited by Sebastian-Smythe, 31 December 2011 - 06:03 AM.