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[spyglass]

Thank you to the thoughtless selfish individuals parking on the bend on Prospect Road just below Rose Bank. Going up Prospect today I was forced on to the wrong side of the bend which is then blind and nearly hit a car coming the other way even though I was only doing about 15 MPH. We cound not see each other until we were almost bumper to bumper.

[bikerbabe]

Perhaps a 'polite' note under the windscreen wipers would let the driver know how bad their parking was? Hopefully stop them parking there in the future?

Some people don't seem to park - more like abandon their vehicles

[Matt]

The new marking should help. If they don't well need to look at them again.

[spyglass]

Matt said:

The new marking should help. If they don't well need to look at them again.

No it wont! The new markings make things worse because there is less parking by the station so people have to find somewhere else to park like the blind bend which is not yellow lined.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

I fully agree with you last remarks spyglass.

They've put lines down in Ilkley but selfish horseless carriage owners only move to another area.
Some of them so close to their abodes it would be easier if they left their rust buckets at home.
Before someone says i'm getting personal there quite a few nearly new rust buckets on our roads
over here.

Whatever happened to underseal and the like?

[spyglass]

I see from the minutes of the Annual Meeting of The Parish (http://www.burley-in...nutes100325.pdf) that the parking bays on Prospect Rd are supposed to have limited parking signs (somebody has nicked them!). But what on earth is the thinking behind having them limited? Unsigned, they will be used by rail commuters and the yellow line bits allow passing traffic to pull in for oncoming. Limited parking is useless for commuters and why would anyone want to park there for a limited time except the odd visitor to the very few houses at that point. By limiting the parking time all the commuters are going to park and clog the area up outside peoples houses probably on Rose Bank. Its better to let them park all day in the parking bays isnt it?

[steve219]

There are painted symbols on the pavements - another blank blank obstruction - indicating where the signs will go, but no signs as yet, without the signs the double yellows are not legally enforceable, AFAIK.

SB.

[spyglass]

bikerbabe said:

Perhaps a 'polite' note under the windscreen wipers would let the driver know how bad their parking was? Hopefully stop them parking there in the future?

Some people don't seem to park - more like abandon their vehicles

Notes dont work.

One dangerous parker today is a dark green Ford Ka license number W 647 BCP. If you are that person will you please think about what you are doing. If you know who it is, perhaps you could have a word in their shell-like.

[spyglass]

Dangerous parkers on the Prospect Road bends today.

Grey Vauxhall Vectra licence number FE 02 URB. This car often parks here.

Blue Honda Accord licence number SL 57 DXF

It would be nice if these drivers would spare a little thought for the safety of others.

[wharfedalegas]

Sorry to jump on your band waggon spyglass , but the proposed building development at "Pine Croft" can only make the situation even worse.

If traffic safety in this part of burley concerns you , please object to this planning proposal to Bradford Council planning department asap , details on their website .

Going back to the subject do the Police have a hotline to report persistent traffic parking viailations ?

[spyglass]

Dangerous parkers on the Prospect Road bend today (i.e. the bend between Rose Bank and Elm Grove):

Black Mercedes Kompressor YC 58 TLK. This car was parked so far on the pavement that a wheelchair or motorised scooter would have struggled to pass.

Silver VW Golf S 777 EFY.

If you know who these people are, please draw their inconsiderate and dangerous actions to their attention.

Limited parking signs nearer to the station have been restored. People are ignoring them at the moment but once they start to be enforced, no doubt the problems at the bend mentioned above will worsen. Someone will die here eventually.

[steve219]

Not at all a bad idea highlighting the "offenders".....On Menston station there's a small poster from the police drawing motorists' attention (which is why it's on a railway station!) to the fact that "parking within 10m of ANY junction is liable to a £30 fixed penalty notice."

I believe the same goes for pavement parking.

Perhaps the same poster, blown up a few times, could be placed on Prospect Road/Sandholme, down as far as the school. The visit by a PCSO before Eater "reminding" school runners of the law had no real effect, may be a fund raising drive will?? No sooner had I asked one driver not to park on the pavement outside my house than another took her place.

I wonder what the reason is behind making the Prospect parking spaces only 4 hours long.. seems daft when they are used by train users, which we must surely encourage. And as far as my old road law knowledge goes, those double yellows still aren't legal as there are no signs.

SB

[spyglass]

steve219 said:

.....I believe the same goes for pavement parking......


.....I wonder what the reason is behind making the Prospect parking spaces only 4 hours long.. seems daft when they are used by train users, which we must surely encourage......

SB

Quite agree on your points. I believe the local plod view is that as long as pedestrians can pass, they turn a blind eye to pavement parking. But even parking on the pavement here does not stop the blindness of the bend because in a RH drive car, a driver travelling up Prospect Rd towards the station is still well unsighted.

The limitation on the legitimate parking is crackers. 4 hours is useless to the commuters and who else would want to park there for up to 4 hours except maybe visitors to the couple of houses which front the road there. There should at most be one bay of 4 hours and the others unlimited. The yellow line spaces between the parking bays are ok to allow cars to pass.

[Matt]

The rationale behind the four hours is:
- the station car park and surrouning streets are increasingly used from 8am - 6pm by commuters
- the station is also used by local residents later in the day (not least elderly residents) who also wanted to be able to park near the station
- the top of prospect road is an awful place to park with bad sight lines and it needed to be be discouraged or prevented,and
- this issue is worst at rush hour when parking often causes cars to bck up in both directions and creates aa hazrd to pedestrians, particularly school children, but
- there is an impact on nearby streets (such as rose bank) when parking is removed and the aim of the parking review was to provide more parking, not take it away.

The solution provided avoids restricting parking completely. It facilitates daytime parking near the station. It allows traffic to flow along prospect road, particularly at peak times. It protects the bus service (they had been complaining). It reduces the risk of accidents due to poor sight lines caused by parked cars or speeding cars and improves safely (though admittedly with a potential impact on rose bank).

This was felt to be a suitable solution, and Ithink the best option available (doing nothing was not an option). It was consulted on extensively, though I realise we can never please everyone - as with everything, there's a period of time seeing how things work, and I'll be sure to raise the comments on the forum as well as other feedback, which runs both ways. I also get a lot of requests to stop parking here completely, as well as others to remove all restrictions.

I do think 4 hours is a bit short, and wonder about just restricting parking during rush hour instead.

Matt

[spyglass]

Agree doing nothing was not an option.

I still think 4 hour parking is useless. These elderly you refer to. Where are they going? If Ilkley, if driving at all, they would be most likely to drive there. If going to Leeds, 4 hours is not really that long. If you assume 30 minutes each way to allow for the odd delay, this leaves 3 hours. Not very long if someone wants lunch in amongst the shopping and unless timing was perfect and you really got a move on, not long enough for a film. Why not make it up to (say) 6 hours but with a disc. That way you are not restricting when people use the parking but are not allowing enough time for commuters.

The use of the bays needs to be strictly monitored and policed. Once the policing stops ignoring of the rules and their proper use can be assessed, if the bays remain empty all day then a rethink is needed. The position will never be clear whilst flouting of the rules is allowed.

Unfortunately, any parking restrictions are likely to increase the misery of the local residents especially Rose Bank and those put at risk by parking being allowed on the blind bend between Rose Bank and Elm Grove. The latter needs yellow lining urgently before someone dies and only residents only parking is likely to prevent the former - a pain for everyone. If Rose Bank became residents only then further down Prospect Road and Elm Grove would be next.

It strikes me there is an awful lot of land in the triangle formed by Station Approach/Prospect Road. Have the highways people looked at revamping all or some of this to create one road and using the rest for parking - although I can see maintaining access to the houses might be a problem. There also looks to be scope to create some parking alongside Hag Farm Road. What about using the builders dumping ground by the bridge which is an eyesore anyway?

[weirdmusic]

spyglass said:

There also looks to be scope to create some parking alongside Hag Farm Road.

There's an area of land between Hag Farm Road & the Ilkley platform fence - which is part of railway land which could be used. I think it was the old goods yard, its now just a rubbish tip. If this area was cleared of the trees, weeds & rubbish, you could get at least 10 to a dozen neatly parked cars into it. Hag Farm Road would still remain clear for residents.

[wharfedalegas]

weirdmusic said:

spyglass said:

There also looks to be scope to create some parking alongside Hag Farm Road.

There's an area of land between Hag Farm Road & the Ilkley platform fence - which is part of railway land which could be used. I think it was the old goods yard, its now just a rubbish tip. If this area was cleared of the trees, weeds & rubbish, you could get at least 10 to a dozen neatly parked cars into it. Hag Farm Road would still remain clear for residents.

Fairly sure the piece of land you refer too is owned by a local builder

[spyglass]

I see our old friend the grey Vauxhall Vectra FE 02 URB is at it again - with a towbar and a Karate sign in the back window. I had hoped one of his/her friends would have drawn these posts to his/her attention. Mind you, given the disregard for other people, probably has no friends!

[weirdmusic]

wharfedalegas said:

weirdmusic said:

There's an area of land between Hag Farm Road & the Ilkley platform fence - which is part of railway land which could be used. I think it was the old goods yard, its now just a rubbish tip. If this area was cleared of the trees, weeds & rubbish, you could get at least 10 to a dozen neatly parked cars into it. Hag Farm Road would still remain clear for residents.

Fairly sure the piece of land you refer too is owned by a local builder

No it isn't. The area of land with the stone sheds and its entrance on Moor Lane is owned by a builder. But walk past this, up Hag Farm Road, the wall on your left veers towards the platform. From this point up to (and past) the entrance to the Ilkley platform is still owned by the railways either Northern Rail or Network Rail, I'm not sure which. Wharfedale Rail Users Group might know.

[spyglass]

Well I suppose if you are going to park dangerously you may as well go for the biggest car you can! So thanks today to the black Range Rover C7 CWT parked right on the apex of the bend.

This time, I was driving away from the station down Prospect Road when a driver coming the other way suddenly appeared round the bend. Fortunately, I was only travelling slowly as were they. I suppose if the head on had happened my side of the road was clear so presumably I had right of way but it would not have been her fault really in any case. Not sure where the law stands on this sort of situation.