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[Dave J]

Wharfedale, on 16 August 2010 - 07:31 PM, said:

How many people who work in private industry can look thier kids in the eye and say they make a difference?

in answer to your question - very easily. The business I run (and partly own) provides employment for many people, it provides substantial tax returns to the state purse to fund the public sector and in it’s own space at least it provides innovation and development. It does of course also provide a profit for me although in achieving this and all the other benefits outlined above I have risked (and continue to risk) my own capital.

Where do you think many of the innovations of the modern world have come from the public sector or the private sector?

I don’t doubt that there are many dedicated and altruistic people in the public sector. However my own role has caused me to work alongside the public sector on a number of occasions and the contrast between the two is very marked. If an organisation in the private sector fails to perform it may well go bust. No such automatic accountability exists in the public sector and the manner in which the public sector conducts itself clearly reflects this.

Taxation is a real cost to business and a real factor in our international competitiveness. The private sector must fund the public sector and too large a public sector equates to an inefficiently high tax burden on the private sector and hence an adverse impact on our competitiveness and hence overall performance and prosperity (see the 1970s for details). We were progressing towards that state again with that complete half wit Gordon Brown in control. Hopefully things will get better now.

[Wharfedale]

Dave J, on 17 August 2010 - 12:30 PM, said:

in answer to your question - very easily. The business I run (and partly own) provides employment for many people, it provides substantial tax returns to the state purse to fund the public sector and in it’s own space at least it provides innovation and development. It does of course also provide a profit for me although in achieving this and all the other benefits outlined above I have risked (and continue to risk) my own capital.

Where do you think many of the innovations of the modern world have come from the public sector or the private sector?

I don’t doubt that there are many dedicated and altruistic people in the public sector. However my own role has caused me to work alongside the public sector on a number of occasions and the contrast between the two is very marked. If an organisation in the private sector fails to perform it may well go bust. No such automatic accountability exists in the public sector and the manner in which the public sector conducts itself clearly reflects this.

Taxation is a real cost to business and a real factor in our international competitiveness. The private sector must fund the public sector and too large a public sector equates to an inefficiently high tax burden on the private sector and hence an adverse impact on our competitiveness and hence overall performance and prosperity (see the 1970s for details). We were progressing towards that state again with that complete half wit Gordon Brown in control. Hopefully things will get better now.

Thats a fair post, and not open to any real argument. I agree regarding innovation and I have concerns around procurement law and it's ability to allow innovative SME's an opportunity to compete with large, often incumbent companies when doing business into the public sector. As government starts to look for savings through economies of scale, this is only going to get worse and we will see the SME's becoming increasingly unable to compete with the large players in all areas.

[Wharfedale]

I thought I'd post this link...

http://www.thetelegr...rotests/?ref=mr

I take my hat off to West Yorkshire Police for keeping our city safe at the weekend.

[Flas# #arry]

They did a good job of enforcing an unfair set of rules that fly in the face of democracy.

The EDL members were kept cooped up in coaches for several hours by the police who refused to allow them to get off which of course got things off to a tense start. Then there were BNP and Combat 18 members that turned up looking for trouble and they were penned in with the peaceful EDL group and their violent acts were attributed to the EDL.

On the night of the same day in Ilkley Union Flags were waved with gay abandon and no offence caused at the last night of the proms.

Ironic.

[wharfedalegas]

Flas# #arry, on 30 August 2010 - 07:57 PM, said:

They did a good job of enforcing an unfair set of rules that fly in the face of democracy.

The EDL members were kept cooped up in coaches for several hours by the police who refused to allow them to get off which of course got things off to a tense start. Then there were BNP and Combat 18 members that turned up looking for trouble and they were penned in with the peaceful EDL group and their violent acts were attributed to the EDL.

On the night of the same day in Ilkley Union Flags were waved with gay abandon and no offence caused at the last night of the proms.

Ironic.

Exactly the same tactics used by the Thatcher goverment against legally striking miners in early 80's.

[Wharfedale]

My post was clearly meant to highlight the hard work of the police in protecting our city.

As I was not there I can not comment on how this was carried out, but they certainly appear to have the gratitude of the local community for a job well done.

[Flas# #arry]

Wharfedale, on 31 August 2010 - 04:38 PM, said:

My post was clearly meant to highlight the hard work of the police in protecting our city.

As I was not there I can not comment on how this was carried out, but they certainly appear to have the gratitude of the local community for a job well done.

Mundane repetition of what you read in the press and assume to be facts does no-one any good.

Do you feel Bradford is a place where you would dare to freely and openly roam anywhere on your own wharfedale? And if you feel you have enough prescence to keep bullies at bay, how safe would a woman be? How safe do you really think the city really is when the police that were on overtime and their riot shields have gone home and things are back to notrmal?

[Wharfedale]

Yawn.

[Grumpy]

"Mundane repetition of what you read in the press and assume to be facts does no-one any good". Spot on Harry. The link above was probably a self congratulatory press release put out by the police. Not a word permitted in it from anyone who might dissent. Modern journalism's all about regurgitating press releases from PR departments, with little investigation or critical analysis.

[Flas# #arry]

Grumpy, on 03 September 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

"Mundane repetition of what you read in the press and assume to be facts does no-one any good". Spot on Harry. The link above was probably a self congratulatory press release put out by the police. Not a word permitted in it from anyone who might dissent. Modern journalism's all about regurgitating press releases from PR departments, with little investigation or critical analysis.

Aye and the unintelligent masses do little but yawn when one trys to educate them

[Wharfedale]

Flas# #arry, on 03 September 2010 - 08:07 PM, said:

Aye and the unintelligent masses do little but yawn when one trys to educate them

"One" assumes that your education omitted to include spelling and punctuation.

When and if you get over your pointless negativity aimed at myself, we may be able to build a decent local resource here. Feel free to contribute at any time.

[Flas# #arry]

Wharfedale, on 03 September 2010 - 08:18 PM, said:

"One" assumes that your education omitted to include spelling and punctuation.

When and if you get over your pointless negativity aimed at myself, we may be able to build a decent local resource here. Feel free to contribute at any time.

I am totally uneducated in all things bookish! Maybe thats why I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about public services that don't deliver! I didn't get was was due to me as a kid and now the useless teachers are probably enjoying their fat pensions! However I am streetwise.

Now you seem to have taken my posts as being directed at you personally! Get over it! I just don't share your poinyt of view, I disagree and as this is a forum, I put across my point of view. It appears that others here opoebly agree with my point of view and there have been PMs too.

Your replys to threads such as "Cock" and "Yawn" and statements like "their pointless families" say more about you and your unfitness to conduct a forum as an administrator than I could.

[Wharfedale]

I don’t conduct a forum, I just post here and try to fix the odd technical problem which is why I am an administrator. The owner of the site is not in a position to post at the moment as he is locked in my cellar and I have no plans to release him any time soon.

However, let me say that I have tried to mix things up here and push the debate to nurture argument (with a small a) and drive some life into somewhere that might otherwise die on its feet due to lack of interest and therefore contributions. I recently acknowledged in the moderators forum that this may not be the best approach to encouraging more posts which is why I am now on best behaviour... most of the time.

If you want to contribute then that’s great, you are most welcome.

BTW, my cock post is one of my favourites

[catbazza]

Wharfedale, on 03 September 2010 - 09:00 PM, said:

I don’t conduct a forum, I just post here and try to fix the odd technical problem which is why I am an administrator. The owner of the site is not in a position to post at the moment as he is locked in my cellar and I have no plans to release him any time soon.

However, let me say that I have tried to mix things up here and push the debate to nurture argument (with a small a) and drive some life into somewhere that might otherwise die on its feet due to lack of interest and therefore contributions. I recently acknowledged in the moderators forum that this may not be the best approach to encouraging more posts which is why I am now on best behaviour... most of the time.

If you want to contribute then that’s great, you are most welcome.

BTW, my cock post is one of my favourites

Applause with a capital "A".

[spyglass]

Isn't the forum all about communication and debate (religion excepted perhaps!!!). As long as folk get over their point of view, does a bit of mis-spelling and innacurate grammar matter that much? We are not conducting a GCSE exam here. I would rather have lots of sensible points of view reasonably argued with a few technical innacuracies than very few but in perfect English.

Equally, personal attacks are pointless. Stick with the power of logical argument.

[Wharfedale]

In the interest of balance, I thought I would post this - http://www.bbc.co.uk...tshire-11190561 - sadly it seems Wiltshire have found their bad apple.

Please not that the BBC have posted a guidance warning on this video.

[Flas# #arry]

How does a video like that make it into the public domain? I've tried FOI requests with WYP over a disagreement I've had with them and they refuse point blank to release the information I wanted.

The Police are only human, but they are apart from the rest of humanity, don't ever kid yourself they respect "civilians" although they are infact civilians themselves by definition. The power goes to their head and if you resist them in any small way, not physically, just through words, you will be in a world of pain and or inconvenience.