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[Malcolm]

Due to the positive response received from the Farmers Market held at this year's Summer Festival, four more markets are to be held:
[indent]Sunday 12th September
Sunday 10th October
Sunday 14th November
Sunday 5th December

[/indent]All the markets are to be held in the car park of The Red Lion, between 10am and 2pm.
Further information can be had from Geoff on 01943 863130

[weirdmusic]

Malcolm, on 08 September 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

Due to the positive response received from the Farmers Market held at this year's Summer Festival, four more markets are to be held: ................

Have any of the local shops been consulted about this?

I'm not against Farmers Markets (FM) per se - but I do think that the local traders should be consulted if the one in Burley is to be once a month.

I do know that a number of the stalls at the Festival event, were selling produce in direct competition with what is available in Burley shops.   If those same shops were allowed to have stalls, then maybe it would be OK.  But if not, then by having a FM on their doorstep you are taking custom away from them and /or forcing them to open on FM Sundays to compete.  That can't be right.

[Wharfedale]

Not sure that a consultation is required here.

I think that the farmers market will bring some innovative products and quality fresh produce, produced by passionate individuals to Burley. I am sure that local traders would be more than welcome to be a part of this.

I cant wait to see what will be on offer and some friendly, low key competition is good for all of us.

[LEE122]

Wharfedale, on 08 September 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

Not sure that a consultation is required here.

I think that the farmers market will bring some innovative products and quality fresh produce, produced by passionate individuals to Burley. I am sure that local traders would be more than welcome to be a part of this.

I cant wait to see what will be on offer and some friendly, low key competition is good for all of us.

we usually go to the Otley farmers market every month and call in to the pub for some lunch, now we will go to the Burley farmers market and call into the pub for some lunch, I think it is a great idea, even better if the local shops represent themselves.

It will probably generate some much needed lunch time trade for the pubs,It can't be easy for them at the moment..I noticed recently the the Queens is up for sale. anything that brings in extra footfall for the small buisness is a good thing, if the shops want to compete they will have to open on a Sunday or have a stall at the market. fresh produce is not going to last all month until the next market so its not really going to affect the shops as they will still be used on a daily basis

[Wharfedale]

LEE122, on 08 September 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

we usually go to the Otley farmers market every month and call in to the pub for some lunch, now we will go to the Burley farmers market and call into the pub for some lunch, I think it is a great idea, even better if the local shops represent themselves.

It will probably generate some much needed lunch time trade for the pubs,It can't be easy for them at the moment..I noticed recently the the Queens is up for sale. anything that brings in extra footfall for the small buisness is a good thing, if the shops want to compete they will have to open on a Sunday or have a stall at the market. fresh produce is not going to last all month until the next market so its not really going to affect the shops as they will still be used on a daily basis

Couldn't agree more

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Wharfedale, on 08 September 2010 - 10:30 PM, said:

Couldn't agree more

Perhaps one of you could answer a question - is your Farmers Market run under Bradford Council rules or not. I ask this as some in Ilkley are trying to get a similar Market however ours will be run by them over t'ill.

We've had enough of private crews lining their pockets with hard earned brass which should go to our own traders. Irrespective of whether consultation should take place common sense should prevail with repect to your local traders. It's a hard time for them and all support should go to them first.

So the cross eyed Queen is up for sale. Has that anything to do with the draught that isn't one has to ask? Another nail in the coffin of village decline if it goes for redevelopment.

[Wharfedale]

Surely this is actually a chance for local traders to make additional income and attract people from further a field to spend money here? The assumption or implication seems to be that local traders won't be represented?

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Wharfedale, on 09 September 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

Surely this is actually a chance for local traders to make additional income and attract people from further a field to spend money here? The assumption or implication seems to be that local traders won't be represented?

....and if they aren't represented whose produce is going to fill residents fridges etc?

I think there's a strong case here for your own traders taking part, however one must not forget
it's hard enough for them to stay open during the week,let alone another one might say gamble on
the odd weekend.

Better to do what's close at hand than in the distance or words to that fact.

[Wharfedale]

Sebastian-Smythe, on 09 September 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:

....and if they aren't represented whose produce is going to fill residents fridges etc?

I think there's a strong case here for your own traders taking part, however one must not forget
it's hard enough for them to stay open during the week,let alone another one might say gamble on
the odd weekend.

Better to do what's close at hand than in the distance or words to that fact.

I think we all agree that this is an opportunity for new and established local traders to make an additional income once a month. I would imagine that any business would welcome this chance to do additional business, but that's an individual decision. I was planning to go out of town on Sunday but will now be making a day of it in Burley... Why go to the coast when there is a great day to be had at home

[Flas# #arry]

Could be seen as a kick in the teeth for our two local butchers who have to pay high business rates and running costs. They're not fat cats, just locals trying to make a living and giving a living to their local employees. Suggesting they set up stall amongst the here today gone tomorrow competition adds insult to injury I would imagine!

That's my view anyway.

Bit like when the council passes bylaws in Ilkley preventing drinking on the streets, which penalises bars with street frontages, but then along come on-street bars and drinking on Continental market day organised by the council.

[Wharfedale]

Guys, I just don’t get this negativity. One assumes (rightly or wrongly) that the Red Lion (a local business) has seen an opportunity for a win / win result from hosting a farmers market in Burley once a month.

Local traders including both of our excellent butchers (one of whoms chicken I polished off tonight) can make some extra income. What the heck is so bad about all this? Come on guys – get behind this thing until you have a real reason to knock it.

[Wharfedale]

Malcolm, on 08 September 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

Due to the positive response received from the Farmers Market held at this year's Summer Festival, four more markets are to be held:
[indent]Sunday 12th September
Sunday 10th October
Sunday 14th November
Sunday 5th December

[/indent]All the markets are to be held in the car park of The Red Lion, between 10am and 2pm.
Further information can be had from Geoff on 01943 863130

Malcolm, I have added the dates to the forum calendar

[weirdmusic]

Wharfedale, on 09 September 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

Guys, I just don’t get this negativity. One assumes (rightly or wrongly) that the Red Lion (a local business) has seen an opportunity for a win / win result from hosting a farmers market in Burley once a month.

Local traders including both of our excellent butchers (one of whoms chicken I polished off tonight) can make some extra income. What the heck is so bad about all this? Come on guys – get behind this thing until you have a real reason to knock it.

Who of the local traders gains from the FM?  The Red Lion & possibly the Queens Head.  For the FM traders its a relatively cheap way to do business - little in the way of fixed costs or overheads, for the private organisers a nice little cash earner £30 a stall x 30 stalls.
Who loses?

As I said in my earlier post, I do think the local shops should be asked their views about the FM on their doorstep - particularly the x2 butchers, the fruit/ veg/flower/fish shop & the deli.  
"Wharfedale" - you talk of them gaining extra income - how, if they're not part of it?  
They may lose trade on the Saturday before it & they may well lose trade on the Monday/Tuesday afterwards because people have stocked up.

If Burley loses any of these shops (they're under severe pressure as it is), because the FM takes away even more of their custom - who's fault is that?  Yours? Mine? The shops themselves or the FM?  

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Perhaps a few pics in the gallery to show just what Burley has lost with regards to shops might make a few folk think again. My question of who runs this Farmers Market has not been answered though. As to the no drinking in central Ilkley it's made life down there much quieter however those who like to booze and scream have moved to nearby parkland and woodland, also parts of the Moor.

[Wharfedale]

I would have thought that the local traders would be there? Is that not the case? If not then why not? I can’t answer that, but if they are going to be adversely affected then they will no doubt need to approach the organisers. (for the record I have nothing to do with any of this other having a few thoughts on the subject).
 
It appears (at least on the face of it) to be a great opportunity for the local businesses to showcase their produce and actually attract more customers over the course of the following month as local customers return to local shops to get what they got at the Market, and what they can't get at the supermarket.
 
I would also think that this would be a good way to ‘fend off’ spend at the supermarkets which is especially relevant now in light of the Tescos news. If the produce is great quality then it will go some way to re-educating peoples palettes which will once again draw them back to local producers and away from supermarkets.
 
I would imagine that the Malt will see some additional spend for breakfast, the Red Lion will see an increase in Sunday lunch drinks and meals and the Generous pioneer may well get additional foot fall from visiting families. BUT the main thing here is that it is a show case for those local businesses that choose to exploit the opportunity. If I was the owner of an Indian takeaway in the village I would take a stall for 30 quid and provide samples of my dishes, or possibly use it as a way to sell sauces and other produce. Even stores like the Coop could grasp the opportunity to push its fair trade range and increase its visibility to locals.
 
Its not just about sales on the day, but the value of the exposure of a local business to local consumers. Lee122 has also demonstrated that people travel to these events so this will be additional money coming into the community from the outside.
 
Does this not also give a chance for local farmers to sell directly to the consumer at a decent price rather than being squeezed by the supermarkets?

Anyway it's clear that we all appear to be behind our local stores and doing our best to argue for there support. Amazing how debate works.

[blunt pencil]

I am amazed at how some people stick their heads in the ground and think that its "bad news" for local traders if a few stalls set up on a Sunday.

Its called choice.

If people want to purchase from any store (including the CO-OP) then thats up to them. The idea of setting up a few stalls in the Red Lion car park, is an excellent idea. Stop moaning about drinking on the streets, unfair competition and getting consultation from our local traders.

Hey, if they want to set up a stall, or open up on a sunday - thats up to them.

I agree with Wharfedale - perhaps the moaners here should concentrate their efforts on combating the real roblem - Tesco. They dont just set up and act as healthy competition. Their goal is to squeeze out all competition. Maybe more effort should be made to hold those who have passed their planning permission, to account.

[bikerbabe]

Well I hope the Farmers Market is a success and the best of luck to all the local farmers who are setting up stall in Burley. Even farmers need to make some money somehow. It will hopefully start to bring in new custom from further afield. I cant attend tomorrows market but am certainly putting the next one into the diary.



Change isn't always bad you know!

[Lucerosie]

We bought some splendid stuff there this morning. There's a stall selling sourdough bread which is out of this world and I bought some lovely mushrooms amongst other things. Roll on October the 10th!

[Bikerking]

Lucerosie, on 12 September 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

We bought some splendid stuff there this morning. There's a stall selling sourdough bread which is out of this world and I bought some lovely mushrooms amongst other things. Roll on October the 10th!

Lucerosie - hope you don't mind but I have merged your topic with the other Farmers Market Topic as it seemed having two on the same subject might confuse new visitors

[Wharfedale]

Really enjoyed the FM today. Currently cooking some of the produce for this evenings meal which I would otherwise have gone to Sainsburys or Waitrose for, so saved on the petrol and time there too.

Had a lunch time local beer which has ensured that I have been half asleep this afternoon

Did you see the purple chilli plants!!!

Didn’t see any of the local shops so hopefully they will start to come along in the future.