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...and You Think Broadband Is Bad In Burley!
Started by Wharfedale, Sep 16 2010 05:44 PM
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:44 PM
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:44 PM
How bad is broadband in Burley? My connection is pretty good for what I want to do. Though I don't know how it compares to "Pigeon" rate per sec!
"Wharfedale" is it possible to map connection speeds across the district?
"Wharfedale" is it possible to map connection speeds across the district?
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 09:20 AM
No, not really.
Most ISP’s will tell you that its your distance from the local exchange which is the problem, and whilst true, its not the full story.
Speaking very broadly, and un-technically....
When it come to your Internet connection you are mainly interested in your data rate at any given time. This is the rate, or speed that your data flows up and down the wire to your house. May ISP’s will tell you that you have an Internet speed of ‘upto’ 8megabits per second or some other figure. The reason they say ‘upto’ is because your actual data rate is subject to a number of factors including the length and quality of the copper wire connecting your house to the local exchange.
When you turn your broadband router on it begins a boot up process which include a series of negotiations between itself and the exchange. During these negotiations the router and the exchange try to synchronise, or ‘sync’ themselves at the best possible speed which the line will reliably sustain. This is called your ‘sync’ speed and your data rate can never exceed the sync speed. If you know what you are doing then you can squeeze extra speed out of your line by forcing your router to sync at a higher rate at the expense of reliability, removing or checking extension wiring around the house, installing a decent master ADSL socket etc’ etc’. I have previously forced a speed in excess of 20megabits from my line but that required some discussions with the ISP as well as messing about with my router and now I settle for a very stable figure which is a little lower than that, but even to get that speed I have to manually login to my router each time its power cycled.
BUT, the above can actually make no difference to your perception of speed across different times of day if the ‘back haul’ out of the exchange is saturated with other peoples traffic. You can imagine the back haul as a large road out of the village that carries our Internet traffic. The more traffic, the more congested the road and eventually it grinds to a halt at peak times. The ISP’s wont always tell you that because its easier to tell you its due to the wire to our house that you cant do much about, so you will just have to live with it.
In the U.S. Google is working on a gigabit fibre network for certain areas. Imagine the possibilities with 1000megabits a second to your house. In contrast, imagine the lack of vision by this government who have aspirations to ensure we all get 2, yes, 2megabits per second. The Americans are working on 1000, and we are hoping to provide 2.
Ideally we need fibre into the area, but I can’t imagine that this will arrive any time soon, and when it does the entire village will moan about the pavements being dug up no doubt.
Most ISP’s will tell you that its your distance from the local exchange which is the problem, and whilst true, its not the full story.
Speaking very broadly, and un-technically....
When it come to your Internet connection you are mainly interested in your data rate at any given time. This is the rate, or speed that your data flows up and down the wire to your house. May ISP’s will tell you that you have an Internet speed of ‘upto’ 8megabits per second or some other figure. The reason they say ‘upto’ is because your actual data rate is subject to a number of factors including the length and quality of the copper wire connecting your house to the local exchange.
When you turn your broadband router on it begins a boot up process which include a series of negotiations between itself and the exchange. During these negotiations the router and the exchange try to synchronise, or ‘sync’ themselves at the best possible speed which the line will reliably sustain. This is called your ‘sync’ speed and your data rate can never exceed the sync speed. If you know what you are doing then you can squeeze extra speed out of your line by forcing your router to sync at a higher rate at the expense of reliability, removing or checking extension wiring around the house, installing a decent master ADSL socket etc’ etc’. I have previously forced a speed in excess of 20megabits from my line but that required some discussions with the ISP as well as messing about with my router and now I settle for a very stable figure which is a little lower than that, but even to get that speed I have to manually login to my router each time its power cycled.
BUT, the above can actually make no difference to your perception of speed across different times of day if the ‘back haul’ out of the exchange is saturated with other peoples traffic. You can imagine the back haul as a large road out of the village that carries our Internet traffic. The more traffic, the more congested the road and eventually it grinds to a halt at peak times. The ISP’s wont always tell you that because its easier to tell you its due to the wire to our house that you cant do much about, so you will just have to live with it.
In the U.S. Google is working on a gigabit fibre network for certain areas. Imagine the possibilities with 1000megabits a second to your house. In contrast, imagine the lack of vision by this government who have aspirations to ensure we all get 2, yes, 2megabits per second. The Americans are working on 1000, and we are hoping to provide 2.
Ideally we need fibre into the area, but I can’t imagine that this will arrive any time soon, and when it does the entire village will moan about the pavements being dug up no doubt.
Once we had eaten all the animals and bartered all our jewels we started to worry.....
The iBurley Team video.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 07:26 PM
My home network uses the mains wiring. I tried a wireless network - but it was such a pain in the ass, I gave up. But using the electricity cabling instead was a doddle to set up & maintain.
Could the electricity cable that connects every home, be used instead of laying fibre optics everywhere?
Could the electricity cable that connects every home, be used instead of laying fibre optics everywhere?
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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:53 AM
I believe that some of the power companies did actually trail that idea some time ago, but I am not sure on the outcome.
Copper cables have inherent problems, and this is made worse when they were not made to carry high speed data, such as telephone and power cables.
The Ethernet over power adapters that you mention are very good though and I use some at home along side my wifi and they work well.
I think that ultimately everything will be wifi in one form or another at the ‘local loop’ end which means that the telecoms companies will provide Internet access in the same way as they provide 3G now, but thats a little way off.
Fibre is the medium term solution. Take a look at this wiki page that tells you a little about what’s being used right now in industry... http://en.wikipedia....e_optical_fiber .
I cant see anyone digging up the streets of Burley to lay fibre though as its just too expensive. BT and Virgin both have fibre broadband packages but I don’t think we will be seeing them here any time soon.
Copper cables have inherent problems, and this is made worse when they were not made to carry high speed data, such as telephone and power cables.
The Ethernet over power adapters that you mention are very good though and I use some at home along side my wifi and they work well.
I think that ultimately everything will be wifi in one form or another at the ‘local loop’ end which means that the telecoms companies will provide Internet access in the same way as they provide 3G now, but thats a little way off.
Fibre is the medium term solution. Take a look at this wiki page that tells you a little about what’s being used right now in industry... http://en.wikipedia....e_optical_fiber .
I cant see anyone digging up the streets of Burley to lay fibre though as its just too expensive. BT and Virgin both have fibre broadband packages but I don’t think we will be seeing them here any time soon.
Once we had eaten all the animals and bartered all our jewels we started to worry.....
The iBurley Team video.
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:58 PM
Q. Were these wide angle TVs and laptops especially made for broadband?
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:53 PM
Once we had eaten all the animals and bartered all our jewels we started to worry.....
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 03:30 PM
Wharfedale, on 23 September 2010 - 08:53 PM, said:
Have to be careful here, there was a very, very, broad band in Wharfedale of late.
So broad they couldn't get the euphonium player out of the coach.
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