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[steve219]

Our beloved BPC newsletter is a far better publication than it was a year or so ago, but there is always something there that raises my hackles, if it’s not the secretive duck race it’s something else, last time it was the group that seemingly offers lifts to those who need them….. they’ve never been to my door. And this time it’s the pejorative bit about airport noise, whatever happened to balance?

But first the Neighbourhood Forum, doubtless A Good Thing but the first 3 items are for parents, so that rules out many, and the fourth is the Surgery’s Patient Participation Group. Why does a representative have to come along to tell us about it? Why can’t the surgery tell us all, all at the same time, so we know what’s happening? I don’t want to have to sit through 3 items about kids before I can find out. Another part of Secret Burley. Maybe the surgery could have space in the Newsletter, if it cannot address its patients en masse, to tell us about new initiatives, health scares, treatments, staff etc?

Anyway, back to the airport. Totally unfair to encourage a good turn out so we “can make our views known.” What views, who’s views, from the tone of the item someone is angry over noise, and thinks aircraft (not the American ‘airplanes’ please) somehow stray around willy-nilly, or that they can “approach on any route they wish”. That kind of half-baked nonsense DOES not help any case. But why is this “our case”, it’s not mine, and I dislike that whoever wrote this stuff should think “we” all think the same. Space prohibits me correcting the mis-information, but if you don’t know, why pretend? For me, seeing aircraft fly overhead is a good sign the airport, and our area, is prospering, and it’s a sight better having a flourishing airport, even if I very rarely use it, that seeing millions of extra car journeys a year across to Manchester… The noise the aircraft make is minimal, the rules they fly to are strict, and I am sure not even the most ardent anti-noise person would want pilots to do anything the slightest bit dangerous.

Maybe at the next Forum we could have a representative from the Burley Pavement Parking and Cycling Society explain why their members stray willfully onto pedestrian areas and are unanimously yellow colour blind and pathologically incapable of comprehending the Highway Code?

And now, would my neighbour PLEASE mow his lawn just once this year, before it covers ALL my driveway.

[mtricks]

I feel there is a problem, i feel the noise is very noticeable from my house, you do get use to it so thtas fine but its the fact the planes sometimes fly in over the river but more often than not over the village which is alot more noticable.

and to watch the news last night saying easy jet will be based there putting on more flights makes me think this will only get worse.

[steve219]

mtricks, on 08 October 2010 - 09:59 AM, said:

I feel there is a problem, i feel the noise is very noticeable from my house, you do get use to it so thtas fine but its the fact the planes sometimes fly in over the river but more often than not over the village which is alot more noticable.

and to watch the news last night saying easy jet will be based there putting on more flights makes me think this will only get worse.

Of course you are perfectly entitled to feel there is a problem, but the newsletter item implies it is a serous issue for the village caused by pilots willfully straying off course.

I have just realised I mis-understood you, so apologies for that, and I am modifying my original reply..

You are right in what you say, sometimes, when the wind is on the south or east, aircraft land from the Ilkley direction towards the airport, as they have to land and take off into wind. When they are on this approach they make less noise than on take off as obviously they need less power.

But yes, most times the wind is in the north or west, so they take off towards Burley, heading north west, and the turn left at a prescribed point designed to minimise the noise to both Burley and Menston. That's what the newsletter item calls the preferred route. I can imagine his is an issue for some, but personally, and I am on Sandholme close to this turning point, it is of no bother at all, indeed I quite like to know they are there.

apologies again for my earlier error.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

steve219, on 08 October 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

Of course you are perfectly entitled to feel there is a problem, but the newsletter item implies it is a serous issue for the village caused by pilots willfully straying off course.

I have just realised I mis-understood you, so apologies for that, and I am modifying my original reply..

You are right in what you say, sometimes, when the wind is on the south or east, aircraft land from the Ilkley direction towards the airport, as they have to land and take off into wind. When they are on this approach they make less noise than on take off as obviously they need less power.

But yes, most times the wind is in the north or west, so they take off towards Burley, heading north west, and the turn left at a prescribed point designed to minimise the noise to both Burley and Menston. That's what the newsletter item calls the preferred route. I can imagine his is an issue for some, but personally, and I am on Sandholme close to this turning point, it is of no bother at all, indeed I quite like to know they are there.

apologies again for my earlier error.

Is the prefered route to be found on the Net by chance?

As one who lives up river aircraft noise has become more noticable at night.
Granted they don't rattle the plates like Concord used to but it only visited a few times.
Strange the PC at Ilkley haven't seen fit to mention it in their Parish News.
Perhaps the have triple glazing as standard.

[catbazza]

Sebastian-Smythe, on 08 October 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

Strange the PC at Ilkley haven't seen fit to mention it in their Parish News.
Perhaps the have triple glazing as standard.

Or hold shares.

[Grumpy]

"Strange the PC at Ilkley haven't seen fit to mention it in their Parish News."
That's probably because it doesn't affect them.
The standard approach to the runway from the North West takes the aircraft well north of Ilkley, and indeed Burley, crossing the river between Burley and Otley. So the noise effect on Burley is fairly low.
However on departure to the north west, aircraft make a left turn allegedly to pass between Burley and Menston. This is the nonsense as the noise footprint hits Burley (or at least the bit I live in). Indoors in winter with the windows shut I dont notice it, but in summer with the windows open it's really annoying.Especially at 6am being woken up by the early departures.
A better solution would be for departing aircraft to fly the reciprocal of the arrival approach ie pass between Otley and Burley, keep on climbing, and only turn left after Ilkley

[Flas# #arry]

Yeah great news letter, how much does it cost to print and can't it be made available online with an opt out of the paper version to save the volunteers' shoe leather and a few trees?

Noise from planes is only an issue for the nit pickers. Bleed through from aircraft radio communications onto my radiogram,contrails and brown and yellow stalactites falling from the sky are a greater concern.

[mtricks]

I dont feel the noise is just noticed by nit pickers!

i agree that with windows shut you cant really notice but yes when you are outside or in summer with windows open it is very loud. I notice that most planes come in overthe village near where i live and the noise is very apparent.

[steve219]

[quote name='Sebastian-Smythe' date='08 October 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1286550865' post='4147']
Is the prefered route to be found on the Net by chance?



Probably, I ought to know but I am sure they are there somewhere, look for "Standard Instrument Departures" and you'll find things like POL1W, LAM2W, FIWUD1W and WAL1W, all of which are the same for the first few miles, heading north west and west.... the distances shown are in nautical miles.

[catbazza]

LBIA being sued over aircraft noise, see Wharfedale Observer report at-;

http://www.wharfedal...ng_for_airport/

[Sebastian-Smythe]

catbazza, on 12 October 2010 - 05:13 PM, said:

LBIA being sued over aircraft noise, see Wharfedale Observer report at-;

http://www.wharfedal...ng_for_airport/

Aha! So someone else agrees.

Perhaps pilots should be taught to read maps instead of using
micro waves and the like.