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[Lloyd]

I've heard a rumour that Tesco have put a bid in for (what used to be) the Malt.
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything else along these lines?

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Lloyd, on 23 May 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

I've heard a rumour that Tesco have put a bid in for (what used to be) the Malt.
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything else along these lines?

They never let up do they if it's true and you know I don't doubt it may be.

[mikeg]

They can't be any worse than the co-op as they would only fit an express store there!

[PhilD]

[quote name='mikeg' date='29 May 2011 - 05:35 AM' timestamp='1306647351' post='6696']
They can't be any worse than the co-op as they would only fit an express store there


.......................and there would be parking, and they wouldn't be allowed to change the exterior etc, etc ............
However in all seriousness I'm fairly sure there's nothing more to this than rumour, but anything that puts a rocket up the coop's backside can't be all bad

on a tangential point I always thought that the Italian gent who tried & failed to get planning permission to re-develop his cafe at the cow & calf missed a real trick - if he'd applied for a T***o metro store it would have sailed through!

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Just like Canute!

Ignore it and it will go away....

Once they get their foot into a place it won't be long before you have a Tesco shed.

I'll lay half a gallon of ale on that one too.

Edited by Sebastian-Smythe, 29 May 2011 - 04:25 PM.

[Lucerosie]

Actually, it wouldn't be the Coop that worried me if Tesco did arrive in the village - I would worry about Mark and Joanie at the Corner Shop or Jason's grocery - or the two GOOD butchers we have. Would they survive?

[catbazza]

Lucerosie, on 30 May 2011 - 12:21 PM, said:

Actually, it wouldn't be the Coop that worried me if Tesco did arrive in the village - I would worry about Mark and Joanie at the Corner Shop or Jason's grocery - or the two GOOD butchers we have. Would they survive?

Why don't the Co-op put a bid in for the gone but not forgoten Malt Shovel, it has ample storage space upstairs plus room for the manager to live in & ample room for parking for delivery waggons & customers cars & the ground floor has much bigger floor space for the shop.

Peace would then descend upon Station Road & provide a long needed shop at the bottom of the village without the chaos of delivery lorries & cars.

[blunt pencil]

I think thats the real problem. We know they wouldnt. And all that will be left is boarded up shops, or empty stores with "art displays" in them. Have a look at Ilkley. I was shocked this morning, as I went for a walk. The main high street, is full of "closing down" sales and empty boarded up shops.

It gets to something when even the well known names, WH Smith, FOCUS, Motor World are struggling.

And I see they are building flat conversions where the Crescent used to be. Those shops round there have no chance any more. I think Tesco should be stopped in its tracks. Nobody wants it in Ilkley.

As for Burley, well I think everyone knows how the "good for everyone" store is. What a motto.

You can now buy your Grade 2 vegetables at the CO-OP in Burley. That store is a disgrace. I feel sorry for the staff, as ITS NOT them. Yeah, they need somebody to tell them to man the tills when a queue forms. But the ghetto style shelving and boxes of goods placed on the floor - this needs central intervention.

If Tesco made an offer to come into the village. I would probably support it, if they occupied the CO-OP.

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[steve219]

Lucerosie, on 30 May 2011 - 12:21 PM, said:

Actually, it wouldn't be the Coop that worried me if Tesco did arrive in the village - I would worry about Mark and Joanie at the Corner Shop or Jason's grocery - or the two GOOD butchers we have. Would they survive?

Hear Hear, any change to the status quo which would adversely affect these shops, our local shops, would be a huge blow for the village, a Tesco withing a long mile would be a disaster. Otley has just lost its greengrocer, and while it has an excellent market, the supermarkets there are winning.

S

[Lucerosie]

And if those shops go, how long before we don't ''need'' a Post Office?

[blunt pencil]

What is most worrying of all - There appears NOTHING that people can do - Look at Ilkley. Nobody wants a mega-tesco there either

[Sebastian-Smythe]

blunt pencil, on 30 May 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

What is most worrying of all - There appears NOTHING that people can do - Look at Ilkley. Nobody wants a mega-tesco there either

NOTHING YOU CAN DO!

Oh come on!

There used to be a fighting spirit in Burley when I lived there. Has it got so watered down you lot are going to take things laying down? There's a hell of a lot folk can do and now you've the InterNet anyone with an ounce of fight in them should start using it and don't wait until Tesco have got their feet under Malt Shovel's tables either.

Contact all those nation wide who've fought against Tesco. Especially those who have stopped them moving in. Don't forget your village shop keepers either. It's times like these when the village should be giving them support. Yes I
agree the co-op is not to everyone's taste (pardon the pun) but if they go it's open door to the likes of Tesco.

One point you all seem to have missed is the position of The Malt. On a dangerous corner. A corner known for it's accidents. Since the advent of the by-pass and your village green it has become a safe and relatively peaceful corner. How long will it stay that way if Tesco move in? How many newly weds will want their pictures taken on the Village Green with Tesco signs in the background? Burley has one abomination at the west end surely not another at the east.

Forget the Bridge of Dreams - Tesco could be a very deffinate proposition - put the effort into stopping them.

[Raz]

Forgive me if I am wrong but is the malt not a listed building as well as being in a conservation area, it would be no good for any convenience store as there can be no advertising, no 'tesco' or 'co-op' signs and as said Before it is on a dangerous bend which would be difficult for delivery wagons etc

[marygill]

Raz, on 30 May 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Forgive me if I am wrong but is the malt not a listed building as well as being in a conservation area, it would be no good for any convenience store as there can be no advertising, no 'tesco' or 'co-op' signs and as said Before it is on a dangerous bend which would be difficult for delivery wagons etc

Yes you are right Raz, it would be of no use to any store of that kind.
It is what it always has been and what our village does so well,just a rumour,I've been here 43years and it's always the same, cut your finger in Station Road and by the time it's retold on Main Street it's yer throat!

Edited by marygill, 31 May 2011 - 06:51 AM.

[catbazza]

Raz, on 30 May 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Forgive me if I am wrong but is the malt not a listed building as well as being in a conservation area, it would be no good for any convenience store as there can be no advertising, no 'tesco' or 'co-op' signs and as said Before it is on a dangerous bend which would be difficult for delivery wagons etc

Maybe you are correct Raz in what you say, listed building, conservation area, Bah!, that means nothing these days, you just have to look at the south side of the river from Greenholme to the recreation ground that was all green belt land & now look at it, all houses.

What are they going to do with the Malt, it can't use it for a store, it will never be an hotel/pub again, convert it into offices & create traffic problems again, look at Burley House, a ready made office block which nobody can make a go of, no, the Malt will finish up being converted into flats & planning permission would be applied for to build further housing where the carpark is which will cause more traffic hazards like outside the Methodist chapel with the St. Marys church goers added.

[spyglass]

I think the malt could work as a small hotel perhaps with a small extension. The proximity to the Dales and the airport (for business types) could make it attractive. If it provided a reasonably priced nice bar with food, this would appeal to locals and residents alike and save us having to pay the extortionate prices at the Queens or use the other less than appealing pubs. The Malt need someone with some vision and no doubt money to make some serious changes - like those who had the vision to do something constructive with The Wheatley for instance.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

I believe this will answer all your questions re listed buildings
http://www.britishli...el-hotel-ilkley

[PhilD]

spyglass, on 05 June 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

I think the malt could work as a small hotel perhaps with a small extension. The proximity to the Dales and the airport (for business types) could make it attractive. If it provided a reasonably priced nice bar with food, this would appeal to locals and residents alike and save us having to pay the extortionate prices at the Queens or use the other less than appealing pubs. The Malt need someone with some vision and no doubt money to make some serious changes - like those who had the vision to do something constructive with The Wheatley for instance.

oh dear - I thought it was cynics that Oscar Wilde referred to when he discussed knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing
still the more people there are who fail to recognise the quality of the food on offer at the queens, the easier it will be for the rest of us to get a table

[spyglass]

PhilD, on 06 June 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

oh dear - I thought it was cynics that Oscar Wilde referred to when he discussed knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing
still the more people there are who fail to recognise the quality of the food on offer at the queens, the easier it will be for the rest of us to get a table

I agree the quality of the food at The Queens is very good and John is an excellent chef. I have eaten there a few times. If this was a restaurant, I would have no quarrel with the prices but it is not. It is a pub. Furthermore, it is a cramped pub where people brush past you as you eat on their way to the bar or toilets. The windows do not open and there is no ventilation or air conditioning so it gets hot and stuffy. That is why I do not think it justifies the cost. The beer is overpriced for a pub and of variable quality.

[blunt pencil]

I dont seriously believe that the Malt will become a tesco. But, I would expect some form of flats conversion.

Trouble is, making it a hotel or community eatery/ bar does not work. As people cant be relied upon to use it.

Its a shame when you walk/ drive through Burley, you have the empty business park, boarded up Malt, empty carpet shop, the queens (which was for sale), the adjacent Tavern building - empty, the empty shop next to pizza 11.

And I also worry that people say it will never happen. If the Malt is on a dangereous bend, Tesco (or developer) will get speed bumps or traffic lights. If its listed, then there will be an internal conversion (or they will build on the car park). Or maybe Tesco (or developer) will offer to make the Malt into an old people's home, as a back-hander for redeveloping the existing old people's home or a playing field or even the business park.

What needs to be happening is some inspired ideas for regenerating these empty buildings.


Look at Otley - I could not believe the number of empty shops. That town is dying.


Ilkley - When Tesco gets its mega store and Morrisons gets planning permission, then all the remaining independents will shit.


Guiseley - FOCUS is in administration, which will leave the retail park with another empty unit. I am not sure who is occupying the unit next to M&S. I heard it was Boots. So that means they'll shut their high street store, which is another reason not to use the high street.

Edited by blunt pencil, 06 June 2011 - 10:20 PM.