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[Malcolm]

An official statement by the Burley Parish Council on the proposal to re-develop the present site can be read on the village website.

HERE

[Polyantha]

Malcolm, on 29 July 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

An official statement by the Burley Parish Council on the proposal to re-develop the present site can be read on the village website.

HERE

Thank you Malcolm for putting this link on, very useful and informative.

[catbazza]

Braford Council are closing Addingham Library in August but there is hope for it's saviour by it being run by volunteers, has anybody given any thought to running Burley library in a similar fashion.

http://www.ilkleygaz...ingham_library/

[Malcolm]

The agenda for the Parish Council Planning Committee Meeting, to be held on Monday 08 August, has item 6 as :

Presentation by a representative of Dodd Associates on a proposal for a combined library and Co-op convenience
store on Grange Road

The meeting starts at 7:30pm in the Queen's Hall.

Members of the public are welcome to attend all parish council meetings as observers and during this item members
of the public are invited to raise issues with the Parish Council.

The full agenda is HERE.

[Malcolm]

An artist's impression of the proposed building is now available HERE.

This image is now in the public domain, so you can copy it if you wish.

The plans will follow soon (it says here).

[PhilD]

Malcolm, on 11 August 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

An artist's impression of the proposed building is now available HERE.

This image is now in the public domain, so you can copy it if you wish.

The plans will follow soon (it says here).

eh where ? this links back to the village site

[PhilD]

Picture now on the village site
frankly it looks a whole lot better than it does at present.

I would have thought that with some joined up thinking regarding delivery traffic, ensuring easy access for all (including disabled access - presumably a lift?) and crucially controls over what happens to the former store - as in no more skanky take-aways - it could just work

[Malcolm]

Malcolm, on 11 August 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

The plans will follow soon (it says here).

There's now a short slide show of the images, and a series of PDF files showing scale drawings of the floor plan and elevations. The PDF files can be enlarged for more clarity, and both images and files are now in the public domain, and can be copied if desirable.

These can be found on the (village website) Parish Council "News" page, and/or accessed HERE.

Updates will be made available as and when.

[blunt pencil]

It might look a whole lot better than it does now. But think about all the boarded up shops on Main street and throughout the village.

First the CO-OP. Possibly followed by Tesco.

Do you really see the local shops surviving.

Can I clarify something here - the meeting is to allow the local council and the CO-OP to take residents views into account.

Burley council is there to represent its community. The meeting is there for residents to discuss this issue.

WHY should the CO-OP be invited to the meeting. They are not part of this community and I doubt they will take its views into account - as they never have taken them into account before.

And - Matt. That disgraceful store would NOT even agree to speak to you when there were complaints made about parking, safety in store, hideous shutter.

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[Yorkshireman]

blunt pencil, on 16 August 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

It might look a whole lot better than it does now. But think about all the boarded up shops on Main street and throughout the village.

First the CO-OP. Possibly followed by Tesco.

Do you really see the local shops surviving.

Can I clarify something here - the meeting is to allow the local council and the CO-OP to take residents views into account.

Burley council is there to represent its community. The meeting is there for residents to discuss this issue.

WHY should the CO-OP be invited to the meeting. They are not part of this community and I doubt they will take its views into account - as they never have taken them into account before.

And - Matt. That disgraceful store would NOT even agree to speak to you when there were complaints made about parking, safety in store, hideous shutter.

How will the new Co-op building close down other shops when it is no bigger than it is now! maybe instead of one kind of cake mix they may sell 2. I have spoken to many people who are both for and against the move however most that i have spoken to that are against and have signed the petition, not only do they not use the Co-op, but they don't use any of the other shops in the village either so they lack the community spirit.
I believe the Co-Op are very much entitled to be there just like the rest that will turn up, they can put you all straight on what you say and hopefully they have read this and heard some of the awful names that mostly you...BLUNTPENCIL have been calling them! It is outrageous. What has that shop done to deserve so much hatred from you! they are very much a community store and do an awful lot for our community!!! ask the Council themselves, ask the disabled people of the village, there are many people who know of a lot of things the Co-op have helped with, they provided the School with a very large and expensive hamper for Fairtrade Fortnight! I believe you are that bone idle you only hear and see what you want to seee!

[blunt pencil]

I am a bit confused yorkshireman.

How is being "bone idle" anything to do with having an opinion ?


Yes there are peole for and against. Everyone has a view.

Why dont you read the article in last weeks local paper on how it could affect trade. QUOTE - Station Road butcher, David Rishworth, said 20 to 30 shoppers had already signed the petition in his shop, and the worry was that an expanded Co-op would take trade from smaller shops. He said: “We’re just a little bit concerned. They’re providing eight car parking spaces, and if they’re going to be selling meat, fish, veg and sandwiches it’ll just take trade from everyone else in the village.”


http://www.ilkleygaz...library_scheme/

Oh and Yorkshireman - In Ilkley, TESCO are providing an old people's home in return for building a Mega- Tesco. Is that community spirited.

[Yorkshireman]

blunt pencil, on 16 August 2011 - 07:52 PM, said:

I am a bit confused yorkshireman.

How is being "bone idle" anything to do with having an opinion ?


Yes there are peole for and against. Everyone has a view.

Why dont you read the article in last weeks local paper on how it could affect trade. QUOTE - Station Road butcher, David Rishworth, said 20 to 30 shoppers had already signed the petition in his shop, and the worry was that an expanded Co-op would take trade from smaller shops. He said: “We’re just a little bit concerned. They’re providing eight car parking spaces, and if they’re going to be selling meat, fish, veg and sandwiches it’ll just take trade from everyone else in the village.”


http://www.ilkleygaz...library_scheme/

Oh and Yorkshireman - In Ilkley, TESCO are providing an old people's home in return for building a Mega- Tesco. Is that community spirited.

Because you never listen to what is said, don't listen to everything you read in the press! But valid points that are being made you are just blanking!
The Co-op already sell meat, fish, sandwiches etc do they not and does it effect other local shops?!At the end of the day people choose where they shop, if they get bits from all over Burley already they will not change that as I have learnt from living in the village for many years, a lot of you do not like change! I have spoken to one of the people who work in the butchers, not the butcher himself, but he is very much for the proposal but is not willing to say so because he fears what his boss will say!
I know what you are saying about the community spirit but the Co-Op do do a lot for others in the village and surrounding areas, my mother uses the Clarke Foley centre very often and they have done a lot of work with them, staff went out of their way to help put in new plants etc.
Maybe you should go and offer to help out at the Co-Op and the rest of you that are against it and see what they have to put up with, I would be up for it and i'm pretty sure a lot of views would be changed!

Edited by Yorkshireman, 16 August 2011 - 11:21 PM.

[peekaboo]

Yorkshireman, on 16 August 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Because you never listen to what is said, don't listen to everything you read in the press! But valid points that are being made you are just blanking!
The Co-op already sell meat, fish, sandwiches etc do they not and does it effect other local shops?!At the end of the day people choose where they shop, if they get bits from all over Burley already they will not change that as I have learnt from living in the village for many years, a lot of you do not like change! I have spoken to one of the people who work in the butchers, not the butcher himself, but he is very much for the proposal but is not willing to say so because he fears what his boss will say!
I know what you are saying about the community spirit but the Co-Op do do a lot for others in the village and surrounding areas, my mother uses the Clarke Foley centre very often and they have done a lot of work with them, staff went out of their way to help put in new plants etc.
Maybe you should go and offer to help out at the Co-Op and the rest of you that are against it and see what they have to put up with, I would be up for it and i'm pretty sure a lot of views would be changed!

well said yorkshireman. I can see where you are coming from here, as i also read between the lines! yes i would love to go look around the coop store i think everyone on here should do so. I know it would probably let some people know the conditions staff work in. i TOO THINK SOME COMMENTS, are just pure stupid. The coop staff live in burley so of course the are entitled to go to the meetings, they have a voice to. Freedom to speak is important for all. Take no notice of all the rants on here from people who are shallow! i value all comments when they are sensible and not personal. You are right when you said local shops wont be effected! until now all the stores have got on well with each other. Damn shame someone started petitions in the village, they hopefuly hang there heads in shame!That is not community spirit!!! i can also tell you FACT!!! it has caused upset..... and alot of people are for the move so dont dispair!!!!

blunt pencil, on 16 August 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

It might look a whole lot better than it does now. But think about all the boarded up shops on Main street and throughout the village.

First the CO-OP. Possibly followed by Tesco.

Do you really see the local shops surviving.

Can I clarify something here - the meeting is to allow the local council and the CO-OP to take residents views into account.

Burley council is there to represent its community. The meeting is there for residents to discuss this issue.

WHY should the CO-OP be invited to the meeting. They are not part of this community and I doubt they will take its views into account - as they never have taken them into account before.

And - Matt. That disgraceful store would NOT even agree to speak to you when there were complaints made about parking, safety in store, hideous shutter.

TO put you right blunt pencil, most of the staff in the coop live in burley!!! they have a voice like you!!!They are part of the community!!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU RANT RUBBISH!!!.aS FOR DISGRACEFUL STAFF well sorry to burst anyones happy bubble but matt has always been welcome into store and i feel this subject was private,now you make it everyones! he hasnt been into store to speak with the manager until recently. The staff are not disgraceful and be careful what you write.

[wharfedalegas]

peekaboo, on 17 August 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

well said yorkshireman. I can see where you are coming from here, as i also read between the lines! yes i would love to go look around the coop store i think everyone on here should do so. I know it would probably let some people know the conditions staff work in. i TOO THINK SOME COMMENTS, are just pure stupid. The coop staff live in burley so of course the are entitled to go to the meetings, they have a voice to. Freedom to speak is important for all. Take no notice of all the rants on here from people who are shallow! i value all comments when they are sensible and not personal. You are right when you said local shops wont be effected! until now all the stores have got on well with each other. Damn shame someone started petitions in the village, they hopefuly hang there heads in shame!That is not community spirit!!! i can also tell you FACT!!! it has caused upset..... and alot of people are for the move so dont dispair!!!!


TO put you right blunt pencil, most of the staff in the coop live in burley!!! they have a voice like you!!!They are part of the community!!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU RANT RUBBISH!!!.aS FOR DISGRACEFUL STAFF well sorry to burst anyones happy bubble but matt has always been welcome into store and i feel this subject was private,now you make it everyones! he hasnt been into store to speak with the manager until recently. The staff are not disgraceful and be careful what you write.

Total agree with you peekaboo , any meeting involving the Parish Council MUST involve all sides of the argument. They can not seen to be prejudging any proposed planning application.

If Burley residents want to set up an opposition group to the proposal that is their right , but as I understand the planning regulation members of the Parish Council can not involve themselves until after the plans have been discussed at a planning committee meeting.

I further agree with you Peekaboo on the intolerance some people shown to members of the Co op staff on this forum . We are all Burley residence !!!

Edited by wharfedalegas, 17 August 2011 - 09:48 AM.

[ex-user]

There have been good and bad staff at the Co-Op
like in any workplace.
They deserve a better environment to work in,
if the Executive board of the Co-Op cared about it's employees and customers
that would have already happened.
Like any business,
Profit is the guiding principle
and this cosy arrangement between council and company
facilitates a long term presence in the village for the store,
in shiny premises
which will encourage those that currently shop elsewhere
to shop there.

The local butchers,
Greengrocer
and Cost cutter
will obviously suffer,
bit of a kick in the teeth for them
when the council
to whom they pay
huge business rates
to hosts the reason for their downfall.

The secrecy
which preceded this
announcement
concerns me greatly.
I would expect a Tory
to allow market forces
to dictate the best deal.
I personally find the produce at
The Co-Op
to be substandard compared
with
Tesco
Waitrose
Morrison
Sainsbury
and Asda.
The Co-op have shown little favour
to Burley
and in fact
quite the opposite
they have treated shoppers
like an underclass
deserving warm white wine
and shoddy produce.

Do not reward bad behavior
Everyone who is driving this project
has behaved badly.

[Yorkshireman]

Yes but people make their own decisions do they not? If they already shop at the butchers/greengrocers they are more than likely to continue doing so!
They have not done anything with the current building as there is nothing that they can actually do to it! It is not fit to be a convenience store due to layouts, dividing Walls etc.
And as for the warm White wine that is all because of the gentleman that lives above the store, a new store would mean we actually get chilled wines once again!
Obviously something like this is to be kept low key at first as otherwise people do not get the full sides of the story like has already happened and people start throwing their own weight around starting petitions feeding other people utter rubbish rather than facts!

[wharfedalegas]

Yorkshireman, on 17 August 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

Yes but people make their own decisions do they not? If they already shop at the butchers/greengrocers they are more than likely to continue doing so!
They have not done anything with the current building as there is nothing that they can actually do to it! It is not fit to be a convenience store due to layouts, dividing Walls etc.
And as for the warm White wine that is all because of the gentleman that lives above the store, a new store would mean we actually get chilled wines once again!
Obviously something like this is to be kept low key at first as otherwise people do not get the full sides of the story like has already happened and people start throwing their own weight around starting petitions feeding other people utter rubbish rather than facts!

What i do not understand is why there is a petition ?

If you want to object to the planning application , when it is lodged you have a perfect right so to do !

Bradford Council under national planning regulations will only take note of individual objections and a minimum of 6 objections (i think that's the number) will ensure to goes to area panel committee . A petition will be treated as only a single objection regardless of the number of signatures.

If people want to object , they need to get properly organized.

[Yorkshireman]

Just a thought here people.
Obviously like has been said many times on these forums no one wants to see empty premises in the village, so what happens if the plans do not go ahead due to the said petitions, the current Co-Op possibly close down as they cannot physically improve the current store, and then the Library is most likely to follow. No matter what is said, ALL libraries are under threat!
This would leave not one but 2 Vacant properties in the heart of our village as well as Co-Op staff out of jobs, Library staff out of jobs and also god knows how many paper boys and girls that deliver papers out of jobs. Think about it!!!

Edited by Yorkshireman, 18 August 2011 - 01:15 PM.

[ex-user]

The current Co-op site could be re-jigged
to level the floors and remove the walls
if the will to do it was there.

The Co-Op are too tight to move a few panels
in a suspended ceiling grid
and put in some sound proofing
a £1500 job
that's why the wine is warm.
Don't blame the man above,
he has a right to a peaceful existence.

There is no evidence that the library is under threat
quite the opposite has been stated.
Now there are hints that it is under threat
how convenient!
brilliant timing!
No problem.. create one..induce worry..introduce solution..
..that benefits the fat cats!
smoke and mirrors

This move doesn't particularly safeguard the library
Bradford could still pull the plug in years to come
more easily in fact
since the premises will be more appealing
to other users
than they are now.
And less appealing to library users..
why isn't the co-op on the first floor?
and the library on the ground floor?
because it would inconvenience shoppers!
it's ok to inconvenience library users
and if numbers dwindle
hey ho!

The secrecy was for commercial reasons.
Whilst the scare tactics were deployed
they no better than the plebs
that happen to be the rate payers
in this village.

I say again, put it on the open market
let other super grocers place their bids.
Get the best deal,
for the rate payer
all above board
no hint of underhand dealings
or empire building.

[peekaboo]

greenhowleadman, on 18 August 2011 - 07:52 PM, said:

The current Co-op site could be re-jigged
to level the floors and remove the walls
if the will to do it was there.

The Co-Op are too tight to move a few panels
in a suspended ceiling grid
and put in some sound proofing
a £1500 job
that's why the wine is warm.
Don't blame the man above,
he has a right to a peaceful existence.

There is no evidence that the library is under threat
quite the opposite has been stated.
Now there are hints that it is under threat
how convenient!
brilliant timing!
No problem.. create one..induce worry..introduce solution..
..that benefits the fat cats!
smoke and mirrors

This move doesn't particularly safeguard the library
Bradford could still pull the plug in years to come
more easily in fact
since the premises will be more appealing
to other users
than they are now.
And less appealing to library users..
why isn't the co-op on the first floor?
and the library on the ground floor?
because it would inconvenience shoppers!
it's ok to inconvenience library users
and if numbers dwindle
hey ho!

The secrecy was for commercial reasons.
Whilst the scare tactics were deployed
they no better than the plebs
that happen to be the rate payers
in this village.

I say again, put it on the open market
let other super grocers place their bids.
Get the best deal,
for the rate payer
all above board
no hint of underhand dealings
or empire building.

yesssssssssss! lets get a tesco, morrisons, asda! that will effect all the shops in the village!then we will have a supermarket!thats what has caused all of this blubber! The petitions are to save shops! if another retailer gets it the shops will close. FACT..... The other shops do not want this.