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[weirdmusic]

For an organisation that trades so heavily on its community / co-operative relations, the Co-Op's handling of the Burley-in-Wharfedale Village Store has been inept.

Quote

...........The Group operates over 5,000 retail trading outlets, employs more than 110,000 people and has an annual turnover of £13.7bn............
"The Co-operative model
Like any business, we want to be a commercial success. However, even more important to us is the way that we do business, and the way that we use our profits. We believe that we should offer our customers both value and values. Which makes us a bit different.
Our members are our owners; they tell us what is important to them and we listen and act on it."
http://www.co-operat...porate/aboutus/

Make of the above what you will!!

In the context of the Village Store & the "current" proposal, their list of "aims" is priceless:
http://www.co-operat...rvisionandaims/
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The senior management of the Co-Op should hang their heads in shame - they have hung their local staff out to dry.

From the very beginning, when they leased the Leesons shop, they knew what they were getting.
To try and squeeze a quart into a pint pot, was never going to work. To compound their ineptitude they fitted the premises out with second hand kit - whether it was shelving or fridges, it was all done on the cheap. Likewise the frontage. What did they think would happen? (See topics: "Burley in Wharfedale Co-Op - & get a sauna into the bargain" or "Minor Co-Op Rant" or "New Co-Op Ghetto")
It would appear little or no thought went into the practicalities of stocking & running a Village Store within the confines of the premises they were leasing.

10 years on, they still don't get it.

All the big supermarkets are now going small, whether its Tesco Express or M&S Food or Morrisons M-Local - they all trim their stocklists to take account of the smaller footprints.

Costcutter manages what's required in a third of the space & with only one till - perhaps the Co-Op senior management should take lessons from Jason as to how to achieve the right balance.
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At every turn the senior management made decisions that just made the situation worse for both staff & customers.

Suggesting that there was a major refit in the offing, was just hot-air. I don't think there was ever any intention to refit the store - unfortunately the local staff bought into it & spread the news far & wide. This has just added to the anger (for both staff & customers), when it failed to materialise.

The "Current" Proposal

Perhaps the reason why the refit was never going to happen was because they'd been approached by a 3rd party, who had this great wheeze (for which the 3rd party would be amply rewarded), whereby the Co-Op got a brand new store in the heart of Burley without all the usual hassle & expense of buying a plot, getting planning permission & building it.
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What is clear from all the shenanigans over the last 10 or more months, is that the Co-Op never gave a thought to the people most affected by the proposal - the library users & the library staff.

If they had, they might have consulted them before now - or done a bit of market research or just plain desk research into what makes any library popular (& this one in particular) with its users & staff.

All the Co-Op can see is a new store, they have absolutely no interest in whether the library stands or falls.

No one from the Co-Op, who has a hand in the decisions about the Village Store nor the "current" proposal comes out of it with any credit.

I wonder what Peter Marks, Co-Op Group Chief Executive or Tim Hurrell, Chief Executive Co-Op Food make of it all?

The Co-operative Group: Customer Relations, Freepost MR9473, Manchester M4 8BA or Email: customer.relations@co-op.co.uk or Phone: 0800 068 6727
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The local staff at the Co-Op
They need to remember the proposal is not yet a done deal. They should turn their anger towards the senior management of the Co-Op for getting them into this mess in the first place.
The more the staff & the supporters of the "current" proposal spout off about the library site being theirs for the taking, the less sympathy they will garner with regard to their current plight.
Also what about the library staff & the library users? Show some consideration for their views too.
Also people need to remember that Bradford Council has history when it comes to off-loading publicly owned land & buildings it no longer wants, not consulting anybody, nor getting the full market value. I suggest they visit Burley Library & ask the local history group for details. Whilst your about it, do the same for Bradford College. When you've done so, then maybe you will understand why the "current" proposal has generated so much anger in Burley.
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The senior management of the Co-Op, need to get their act together

Firstly, they insist that the following happens:

weirdmusic, on 18 August 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

For a proper consultation, senior executives of the retail company (not local staff as they don't make the decisions), Bradford Council executives & our council representatives, should set up a table in Burley Library & ask for input.

If the various parties wish to show their true commitment to Burley Library, then I suggest they hold the consultation meeting on Tuesday 6th September 2011 in Burley Library.

Secondly they need to refit the current store, so that if they do vacate, its in a fit & proper state for someone else to take it on.

If this means closing it for several weeks & moving into temporary accommodation, then that's what needs to happen - oh & if your wondering where to go, there are 2 places fairly close-by, either of which could be made to work + the old Otley Mills Carpet shop is still available.

They do this out of goodwill - no more excuses, we've had 10 years worth of empty promises. Sorry, but a fairtrade hamper isn't going to swing it.

If they leave it in its current state i.e. a wreck, there will be hell to pay. More bad publicity, boycotts, letters to newspapers, facebook diatribes, petitions etc & yet more grief for the local staff.

Also, if the deal on the "current" proposal falls through, they will have a proper store in which to present their goods & serve their customers & the staff won't get so much grief.

Thirdly they ditch the idea of a 99 year lease for any proposal that involves the Burley Library site.
Perhaps something along the following lines would be more appropriate:

Matt, on 08 December 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

One option to look at might be some kind of Trust across Wharfedale to hold and manage such assets for the community.

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As for the "current proposal" - it will kill the library stone dead.

The only measure of success or failure for a library is footfall. Anything that impedes access reduces footfall & hence threatens the library.

The library has to have ground floor access.

An "alternative" proposal, that I think is worth considering:

Split the building down the middle, front to back.

Each has one half of the ground floor, each has one half of the first floor.
The Co-Op has the left-hand / car park side, Burley Library has the park side.

The library keeps its main benefit - its on the ground floor - plus storage / exhibition space above for the local archives etc.
For the Co-Op - all its goods for sale are on the one level ground floor with loading bay access - plus storage space / office / staff restroom above.
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Does the Co-Op have a future in Burley?
If the Co-Op senior management rethink the "current" proposal & takes more consideration of our community as a whole.
If Burley keeps its Library exactly where it is.

Then maybe - just maybe, the Co-Op will have a future in Burley.
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Apologies for starting another thread on a similar topic - but having read all the others none seem appropriate for this post.
The arguments are too localised, people should direct their anger not at the staff of the Co-Op Village Store, nor the other traders in Burley. But at the senior management of the Co-Op, Bradford Council & our council representatives, all of whom have paid scant regard to the people of Burley.

[marygill]

Very well said.
The point you make about the library being theirs for the taking is an interesting one, as I pointed out in a previous post ( and was ridiculed)some members of staff are still insisting that it is a done deal and are openly saying this to customers.
This is really not very helpful at all.

Edited by marygill, 23 August 2011 - 07:56 AM.

[wharfedalegas]

marygill, on 23 August 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Very well said.
The point you make about the library being theirs for the taking is an interesting one, as I pointed out in a previous post ( and was ridiculed)some members of staff are still insisting that it is a done deal and are openly saying this to customers.
This is really not very helpful at all.

wharfedalegas, on 29 July 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:
marygill, on 29 July 2011 - 09:03 AM, said:
My neighbour was in the shop yesterday and was told by a member of staff that planning had already been approved, she came home and repeated this to me and said "so whats the point going to a public meeting.
Is this just wishful thinking on the Coops behalf or is something going on that we know nothing about?
Perhaps I could direct the question at Matt, and also I would be very interested on Matts opinion as to the workability of my suggestion of the library & Coop changing places, as if instead of the library being above the new Coop it was simply store rooms then several deliveries and a lot of congestion would be averted.






I do not understand way people believe this sort of gossip !

If no planning application has been made , or presented to both the Parish Council and Shipley Area panel how can it be approved ?

I would ask people to trust the information proved by Matt Palmer and enter in to the debate not believing in conspiracy theories




Thanks Malcolm for pointing the offical position out . Some people tend to believe gossip for than fact


Can I just point out that said neighbour is eighty three years old and is a Coop user, so when a member of staff told her this she believed them, and as she has no access to or can use a computer is ignorant of this site.
I don't believe any gossip, because this is a village and as a none Coop user my only concern is that if they do move then what will become of the old building, hence my suggestion that the Coop and Library change places, an idea which has been largely ignored for whatever reason.


Mary - See the above conversation from nearly a month ago !!!

No ridicule just a plan stating the facts of how planning applications work.

If as you admit you do not use the co op how do you know what the staff are saying ? or our you repeating hearsay and gossip ?

[peekaboo]

Mary gill. i have just been into the coop to find out about this so called done deal, and im afraid its all rubbish, they didnt know what was going off. Infact they do not know if they will have jobs soon. They are in the dark and are feeling deflated at all the accusations and acrimonious behaviour. This sort of rumour gossip just fuels anger so again i ask all to stick to the facts and not gossip.

[peekaboo]

weirdmusic, on 22 August 2011 - 04:12 PM, said:

For an organisation that trades so heavily on its community / co-operative relations, the Co-Op's handling of the Burley-in-Wharfedale Village Store has been inept.


Make of the above what you will!!

In the context of the Village Store & the "current" proposal, their list of "aims" is priceless:
http://www.co-operat...rvisionandaims/
----------------------------------

The senior management of the Co-Op should hang their heads in shame - they have hung their local staff out to dry.

From the very beginning, when they leased the Leesons shop, they knew what they were getting.
To try and squeeze a quart into a pint pot, was never going to work. To compound their ineptitude they fitted the premises out with second hand kit - whether it was shelving or fridges, it was all done on the cheap. Likewise the frontage. What did they think would happen? (See topics: "Burley in Wharfedale Co-Op - & get a sauna into the bargain" or "Minor Co-Op Rant" or "New Co-Op Ghetto")
It would appear little or no thought went into the practicalities of stocking & running a Village Store within the confines of the premises they were leasing.

10 years on, they still don't get it.

All the big supermarkets are now going small, whether its Tesco Express or M&S Food or Morrisons M-Local - they all trim their stocklists to take account of the smaller footprints.

Costcutter manages what's required in a third of the space & with only one till - perhaps the Co-Op senior management should take lessons from Jason as to how to achieve the right balance.
--------------------------------

At every turn the senior management made decisions that just made the situation worse for both staff & customers.

Suggesting that there was a major refit in the offing, was just hot-air. I don't think there was ever any intention to refit the store - unfortunately the local staff bought into it & spread the news far & wide. This has just added to the anger (for both staff & customers), when it failed to materialise.

The "Current" Proposal

Perhaps the reason why the refit was never going to happen was because they'd been approached by a 3rd party, who had this great wheeze (for which the 3rd party would be amply rewarded), whereby the Co-Op got a brand new store in the heart of Burley without all the usual hassle & expense of buying a plot, getting planning permission & building it.
--------------------------------

What is clear from all the shenanigans over the last 10 or more months, is that the Co-Op never gave a thought to the people most affected by the proposal - the library users & the library staff.

If they had, they might have consulted them before now - or done a bit of market research or just plain desk research into what makes any library popular (& this one in particular) with its users & staff.

All the Co-Op can see is a new store, they have absolutely no interest in whether the library stands or falls.

No one from the Co-Op, who has a hand in the decisions about the Village Store nor the "current" proposal comes out of it with any credit.

I wonder what Peter Marks, Co-Op Group Chief Executive or Tim Hurrell, Chief Executive Co-Op Food make of it all?

The Co-operative Group: Customer Relations, Freepost MR9473, Manchester M4 8BA or Email: customer.relations@co-op.co.uk or Phone: 0800 068 6727
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The local staff at the Co-Op
They need to remember the proposal is not yet a done deal. They should turn their anger towards the senior management of the Co-Op for getting them into this mess in the first place.
The more the staff & the supporters of the "current" proposal spout off about the library site being theirs for the taking, the less sympathy they will garner with regard to their current plight.
Also what about the library staff & the library users? Show some consideration for their views too.
Also people need to remember that Bradford Council has history when it comes to off-loading publicly owned land & buildings it no longer wants, not consulting anybody, nor getting the full market value. I suggest they visit Burley Library & ask the local history group for details. Whilst your about it, do the same for Bradford College. When you've done so, then maybe you will understand why the "current" proposal has generated so much anger in Burley.
-------------------------------------

The senior management of the Co-Op, need to get their act together

Firstly, they insist that the following happens:


Secondly they need to refit the current store, so that if they do vacate, its in a fit & proper state for someone else to take it on.

If this means closing it for several weeks & moving into temporary accommodation, then that's what needs to happen - oh & if your wondering where to go, there are 2 places fairly close-by, either of which could be made to work + the old Otley Mills Carpet shop is still available.

They do this out of goodwill - no more excuses, we've had 10 years worth of empty promises. Sorry, but a fairtrade hamper isn't going to swing it.

If they leave it in its current state i.e. a wreck, there will be hell to pay. More bad publicity, boycotts, letters to newspapers, facebook diatribes, petitions etc & yet more grief for the local staff.

Also, if the deal on the "current" proposal falls through, they will have a proper store in which to present their goods & serve their customers & the staff won't get so much grief.

Thirdly they ditch the idea of a 99 year lease for any proposal that involves the Burley Library site.
Perhaps something along the following lines would be more appropriate:

--------------------------------

As for the "current proposal" - it will kill the library stone dead.

The only measure of success or failure for a library is footfall. Anything that impedes access reduces footfall & hence threatens the library.

The library has to have ground floor access.

An "alternative" proposal, that I think is worth considering:

Split the building down the middle, front to back.

Each has one half of the ground floor, each has one half of the first floor.
The Co-Op has the left-hand / car park side, Burley Library has the park side.

The library keeps its main benefit - its on the ground floor - plus storage / exhibition space above for the local archives etc.
For the Co-Op - all its goods for sale are on the one level ground floor with loading bay access - plus storage space / office / staff restroom above.
--------------------------------
Does the Co-Op have a future in Burley?
If the Co-Op senior management rethink the "current" proposal & takes more consideration of our community as a whole.
If Burley keeps its Library exactly where it is.

Then maybe - just maybe, the Co-Op will have a future in Burley.
--------------------------------
Apologies for starting another thread on a similar topic - but having read all the others none seem appropriate for this post.
The arguments are too localised, people should direct their anger not at the staff of the Co-Op Village Store, nor the other traders in Burley. But at the senior management of the Co-Op, Bradford Council & our council representatives, all of whom have paid scant regard to the people of Burley.

PERHAPS you should read all relavant material, the cooperative has it is today, is not the same one that took on the store 10 years ago!!! again FACT. tHE COOP HAS MERGED 4 TIMES.When they took it over it was united coop, then leeds coop. The present owners have merged all the old coops and bought summerfields, promised to have all the stores the same and refits by 2010. They are all green if you look at them! Burley store they took on, but have had planning permission refused for most things that had to be done. That is why the store is still blue and they have had numerous preposals put into place that have been thwarted.I LOVE FACTS.Senior management are still trying to do what they can for staff and burley but you just see the mess and make assumptions.They are assiduous in their other stores and want the same for burley,they have not had burley store for long.In the time they have had it, try as they have, they kept coming up with brickwalls. They looked at the otley carpet store that you all keep banging on about!!! the owner has plans for this, which i did say on another thread but you havnt read this.

[Yorkshireman]

weirdmusic, on 22 August 2011 - 04:12 PM, said:

For an organisation that trades so heavily on its community / co-operative relations, the Co-Op's handling of the Burley-in-Wharfedale Village Store has been inept.


Make of the above what you will!!

In the context of the Village Store & the "current" proposal, their list of "aims" is priceless:
http://www.co-operat...rvisionandaims/
----------------------------------

The senior management of the Co-Op should hang their heads in shame - they have hung their local staff out to dry.

From the very beginning, when they leased the Leesons shop, they knew what they were getting.
To try and squeeze a quart into a pint pot, was never going to work. To compound their ineptitude they fitted the premises out with second hand kit - whether it was shelving or fridges, it was all done on the cheap. Likewise the frontage. What did they think would happen? (See topics: "Burley in Wharfedale Co-Op - & get a sauna into the bargain" or "Minor Co-Op Rant" or "New Co-Op Ghetto")
It would appear little or no thought went into the practicalities of stocking & running a Village Store within the confines of the premises they were leasing.

10 years on, they still don't get it.

All the big supermarkets are now going small, whether its Tesco Express or M&S Food or Morrisons M-Local - they all trim their stocklists to take account of the smaller footprints.

Costcutter manages what's required in a third of the space & with only one till - perhaps the Co-Op senior management should take lessons from Jason as to how to achieve the right balance.
--------------------------------

At every turn the senior management made decisions that just made the situation worse for both staff & customers.

Suggesting that there was a major refit in the offing, was just hot-air. I don't think there was ever any intention to refit the store - unfortunately the local staff bought into it & spread the news far & wide. This has just added to the anger (for both staff & customers), when it failed to materialise.

The "Current" Proposal

Perhaps the reason why the refit was never going to happen was because they'd been approached by a 3rd party, who had this great wheeze (for which the 3rd party would be amply rewarded), whereby the Co-Op got a brand new store in the heart of Burley without all the usual hassle & expense of buying a plot, getting planning permission & building it.
--------------------------------

What is clear from all the shenanigans over the last 10 or more months, is that the Co-Op never gave a thought to the people most affected by the proposal - the library users & the library staff.

If they had, they might have consulted them before now - or done a bit of market research or just plain desk research into what makes any library popular (& this one in particular) with its users & staff.

All the Co-Op can see is a new store, they have absolutely no interest in whether the library stands or falls.

No one from the Co-Op, who has a hand in the decisions about the Village Store nor the "current" proposal comes out of it with any credit.

I wonder what Peter Marks, Co-Op Group Chief Executive or Tim Hurrell, Chief Executive Co-Op Food make of it all?

The Co-operative Group: Customer Relations, Freepost MR9473, Manchester M4 8BA or Email: customer.relations@co-op.co.uk or Phone: 0800 068 6727
-------------------------------------

The local staff at the Co-Op
They need to remember the proposal is not yet a done deal. They should turn their anger towards the senior management of the Co-Op for getting them into this mess in the first place.
The more the staff & the supporters of the "current" proposal spout off about the library site being theirs for the taking, the less sympathy they will garner with regard to their current plight.
Also what about the library staff & the library users? Show some consideration for their views too.
Also people need to remember that Bradford Council has history when it comes to off-loading publicly owned land & buildings it no longer wants, not consulting anybody, nor getting the full market value. I suggest they visit Burley Library & ask the local history group for details. Whilst your about it, do the same for Bradford College. When you've done so, then maybe you will understand why the "current" proposal has generated so much anger in Burley.
-------------------------------------

The senior management of the Co-Op, need to get their act together

Firstly, they insist that the following happens:


Secondly they need to refit the current store, so that if they do vacate, its in a fit & proper state for someone else to take it on.

If this means closing it for several weeks & moving into temporary accommodation, then that's what needs to happen - oh & if your wondering where to go, there are 2 places fairly close-by, either of which could be made to work + the old Otley Mills Carpet shop is still available.

They do this out of goodwill - no more excuses, we've had 10 years worth of empty promises. Sorry, but a fairtrade hamper isn't going to swing it.

If they leave it in its current state i.e. a wreck, there will be hell to pay. More bad publicity, boycotts, letters to newspapers, facebook diatribes, petitions etc & yet more grief for the local staff.

Also, if the deal on the "current" proposal falls through, they will have a proper store in which to present their goods & serve their customers & the staff won't get so much grief.

Thirdly they ditch the idea of a 99 year lease for any proposal that involves the Burley Library site.
Perhaps something along the following lines would be more appropriate:

--------------------------------

As for the "current proposal" - it will kill the library stone dead.

The only measure of success or failure for a library is footfall. Anything that impedes access reduces footfall & hence threatens the library.

The library has to have ground floor access.

An "alternative" proposal, that I think is worth considering:

Split the building down the middle, front to back.

Each has one half of the ground floor, each has one half of the first floor.
The Co-Op has the left-hand / car park side, Burley Library has the park side.

The library keeps its main benefit - its on the ground floor - plus storage / exhibition space above for the local archives etc.
For the Co-Op - all its goods for sale are on the one level ground floor with loading bay access - plus storage space / office / staff restroom above.
--------------------------------
Does the Co-Op have a future in Burley?
If the Co-Op senior management rethink the "current" proposal & takes more consideration of our community as a whole.
If Burley keeps its Library exactly where it is.

Then maybe - just maybe, the Co-Op will have a future in Burley.
--------------------------------
Apologies for starting another thread on a similar topic - but having read all the others none seem appropriate for this post.
The arguments are too localised, people should direct their anger not at the staff of the Co-Op Village Store, nor the other traders in Burley. But at the senior management of the Co-Op, Bradford Council & our council representatives, all of whom have paid scant regard to the people of Burley.

I don't believe for one second that the premises were fitted out with second hand kit, we are looking ten years back, when it first opened as Leeds Co-Op all the fixtures and fittings were brand new bar one or two bits of shelving etc which they may have struggled to alter, as if you actually went into the shop you would see that a lot of it is actually built in to the ceiling and walls. I can see just from looking at the shop the reason they do not have very good ways to control the heat (remember the Co-Op heatwave?) as in most stores that contain fridges the heat that they kick out is filtered out of the building, but as they have neighbours on both sides this cannot be done and if they tried i could see it being a very difficult scenario. The shop frontage is very much in line with the rest of the Co-Op's of the time it first came to Station Road, Blue was the colour of Leeds Co-Op and then they changed to United Co-Op. All you have to do is look at Skiptons store they are exactly the same. The shop front would definately be changed once the Co-Operative group took over and changed their stores to green and carried out mass refurbishment to all stores, but as i've said before they have more than likely held back any changes due to the possible relocation. We need to remember that although it has always been the Co-Op it has changed hands 3 times!
As you say little thought has gone into stocking the shelves etc, I have been speaking to my wife who works in the Food retail department and she has informed me that all stores are sent plans to which they must stick to when stocking shelves and these plans are based on the footprint of the building. If this is the case at Burley, she said they will definately struggle to do it as they do not have the correct layout, shelving etc as other stores, which I can see to be true. They do need the correct planning to do this! and the Library site would mean they are able to stock the shelves accordingly to plan!

How can you say they have not given any thought to the Library users and their staff? The whole reason for this proposal is to save the Library as if it is not already under threat it could be in the next year or two, and then you will all be kicking yourself if it ever does close down!

With regards to leaving the current store in a respectable state if they were to vacate I am sure they would do so, However, due to the fact that the current premises has 3 Landlords who is to say that they won't want to put it back to being 3 individual properties?
Which are the 2 places that are suitable for them then? Obviously Otley Carpet Mills and which other?
Otley Carpet Mills would be a suitable destination, i agree, BUT as I can recall the Man who owns it has applied for it to be turned into residential accommodation at least twice, and failed, so perhaps they have approached him but he is still determined for it to be made into houses/Flats, whatever it is he wants!

You're idea of splitting the Library and Co-Op in half is a particularly good idea yes, But, would this not mean that the staff still have to trapse upstairs with god knows how many boxes etc and that trollies would be left in the isles whilst they do so?
And the plans that are being made do make access easy with a 15 man lift with room for wheelchairs/pushchairs etc and also a staircase at the front.

Edited by Yorkshireman, 23 August 2011 - 02:43 PM.

[Yorkshireman]

A bit of light reading for you all on the 3 different Co-Ops that have run our village store:

Firstl, Leeds Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....erative_Society

Then United Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....d_Co-operatives

And finally the Co-Operative Group
http://www.co-operat...porate/aboutus/

All you need to do is look at the outside of our store in one of the corners and it is there in clear writing, Leeds Co-Op!

[peekaboo]

i am going to write a jitty to you all bcause i cant stop laughing at the person who said......
if you write like this
it is easier
for people
to understand
and read!!! hahahahaha! this person
needs the library more than most hahahahaha!they are saying some people are stupid!!!!
so to greenhowleadman who really has a issue
but wants morrisons tesco ect to take the show.
encouraging everyone to get rid of the coop
thought the point was save our shops! ohhhhhhhh no no no no
to do that we wont have no small shops
everyone would close
or lose their jobs.
Phild with his green top milk
likes some staff but had alittle rant
when he cant get his milk he needs to breath
in and out, then pant.
i like you phild and hope the coop help you out
then youll have your milk no need to shout.
Polyantha, giving advice on objective issues
Local shops, traffice pollution and noise
with banners out and gathering the boys!
Blunt pencil well where do i start?
not always facts and blunt is the word
hurting some people following the herd!!

blunt pencil seems cold and sad
a grumpy fellow, alittle bit mad.
quote... why should coop staff come to meeting
i say why not! there kids are our future
they live in burley no different from you.
Make the coop accountable one of his many quotes!!
he needs to face facts and read a few notes.
A free speach forum, free for all
but some peoples minds are very small.
bad indegestion, it sticks in the throat,
so lets all be kind on a serious note.
Another way of pulling someone down
Quote... rolled steel joists...girders to you...
making that person feel dumb and very small
just for saying what was on his mind free speach for all!!!
degrading and shameful.
wharfedale gas and my favourite old gertherder
are usually sensible and listern to views
i like that. never personnal or rude
not judgemental, focused! pretty cool dudes.
see reason on both sides.without pejudice and slander
for this i thank them
continue the banter!
THE BUTCHERS, COSTCUTTER GROCERY AND MORE
will not suffer from the coop next door
the coop have had a good relationship with these stores
and showed alot of favour
like a lovely mature red wine
one you just want to savour. helping the people of burley
in so many ways'
but some of you are so blind
you dont see beyond the nose on your face.
I would love to sit upstairs in a library and see spectacular views
chilling with a book, watching bowls or seeing the park
i hate it now its dull and dark!
i use both these amenitys and they are both in need of repair
so lets be practical and alittle more fair!!
lets get facts and stop the anger
produced because of people slander. .......

[peekaboo]

Yorkshireman, on 23 August 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

A bit of light reading for you all on the 3 different Co-Ops that have run our village store:

Firstl, Leeds Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....erative_Society

Then United Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....d_Co-operatives

And finally the Co-Operative Group
http://www.co-operat...porate/aboutus/

All you need to do is look at the outside of our store in one of the corners and it is there in clear writing, Leeds Co-Op!

just checked these out and i am impressed yorkshire man. Did you know the coop was the FIRST retailer to introduce fair trade products helping poor slave workers out of poverty!!!Some very young children! that is something i do feel proud of, the coops ethics. Although i just saw on the link that a gym is sited within there headoffice!! would be nice if everyone had that facility at work!I know where you are coming from and i hope you keep on fighting for what you think is right, after reading your posts, its clear you are passionate about what you are saying. I know some people throw things at you, but i just say whatever the views of people for or against its great to see someone mean what they say.

[peekaboo]

Yorkshireman, on 23 August 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

A bit of light reading for you all on the 3 different Co-Ops that have run our village store:

Firstl, Leeds Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....erative_Society

Then United Co-Op
http://en.wikipedia....d_Co-operatives

And finally the Co-Operative Group
http://www.co-operat...porate/aboutus/

All you need to do is look at the outside of our store in one of the corners and it is there in clear writing, Leeds Co-Op!

i thought it was 4 merges, i think i read this wrong so i opologise, i know it was united, then leeds, or is that the wrong way around!!! but i do know that the new cooperative bought out all the somerfield stores and these stores have been refit. Was i correct in saying that the new coop was going to do all refits by 2010??Although they are new to the burley store. By the way yorkshire man did you hear that the malt is definatly one hundred percent tesco!!! What will happen to the village then?? this will cause even more problems than there is now!!Little stores will close and the coop will struggle, so lets hope it will be a headoffice. i think you should try looking into the sites see if you can find anything out. the coop will struggle then and so will all stores. I do believe it will be a head office. but i cant seem to get any further. will you have a look? thankyou. someone posted an old church on here that had become a store, but they are supermarkets!!!

[marygill]

wharfedalegas, on 23 August 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

wharfedalegas, on 29 July 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:
marygill, on 29 July 2011 - 09:03 AM, said:
My neighbour was in the shop yesterday and was told by a member of staff that planning had already been approved, she came home and repeated this to me and said "so whats the point going to a public meeting.
Is this just wishful thinking on the Coops behalf or is something going on that we know nothing about?
Perhaps I could direct the question at Matt, and also I would be very interested on Matts opinion as to the workability of my suggestion of the library & Coop changing places, as if instead of the library being above the new Coop it was simply store rooms then several deliveries and a lot of congestion would be averted.






I do not understand way people believe this sort of gossip !

If no planning application has been made , or presented to both the Parish Council and Shipley Area panel how can it be approved ?

I would ask people to trust the information proved by Matt Palmer and enter in to the debate not believing in conspiracy theories




Thanks Malcolm for pointing the offical position out . Some people tend to believe gossip for than fact


Can I just point out that said neighbour is eighty three years old and is a Coop user, so when a member of staff told her this she believed them, and as she has no access to or can use a computer is ignorant of this site.
I don't believe any gossip, because this is a village and as a none Coop user my only concern is that if they do move then what will become of the old building, hence my suggestion that the Coop and Library change places, an idea which has been largely ignored for whatever reason.


Mary - See the above conversation from nearly a month ago !!!

No ridicule just a plan stating the facts of how planning applications work.

If as you admit you do not use the co op how do you know what the staff are saying ? or our you repeating hearsay and gossip ?

Yes repeating hearsay & gossip, although as my hubby has no axe to grind I tend to believe him when he repeats what has been said to him by a member of their staff.
He does still use the Coop obviously.

[Yorkshireman]

marygill, on 23 August 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

Yes repeating hearsay & gossip, although as my hubby has no axe to grind I tend to believe him when he repeats what has been said to him by a member of their staff.
He does still use the Coop obviously.

Its like a vicious game of chinese whispers, one thing is said and then it is only slightly altered but massively out of context. I have spoken to many staff in the Co-Op since all this has been brought to light and not one has said anything about them definately having the library proposition set in stone, if anything they are all in the learch as to what may happen if they do not get the site, will they try and do the best they can with their current store or is it unable to be transformed into the store they need! Perhaps your husband should go back and speak to the manager as I am sure he/she will be able to rectify what has been heard and would like to know which member of staff, if any, has been saying this and correct them?

With regards to you Peekaboo, Yes, i did know they were the first retailer to introduce Fairtrade products as I often purchase them, although the Fairtrade Coffee is not particularly appetising so i'd rather stick to my Nescafe. But I do get where you are coming from.
It is not always the things that customers see that they need to be aware of, a lot of things are behind walls/doors, such as the gyms in their headoffices, only the staff are aware of them (unless a bit of research is done). They are a great company and I have been one of their 'owners' (having had my dividend, now membership card, for many years) and I receive a lot from it. Only last month I got about £30 of vouchers back from using my membership card, and unlike Tesco with their Clubcard you are able to exchange this for cash and spend it wherever you wish if not back at the Co-Op. So YES they do do a lot for their customers! You just need to show a bit of interest and see what they have to offer!

Edited by Yorkshireman, 23 August 2011 - 05:08 PM.

[marygill]

Yorkshireman, on 23 August 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Its like a vicious game of chinese whispers, one thing is said and then it is only slightly altered but massively out of context. I have spoken to many staff in the Co-Op since all this has been brought to light and not one has said anything about them definately having the library proposition set in stone, if anything they are all in the learch as to what may happen if they do not get the site, will they try and do the best they can with their current store or is it unable to be transformed into the store they need! Perhaps your husband should go back and speak to the manager as I am sure he/she will be able to rectify what has been heard and would like to know which member of staff, if any, has been saying this and correct them?

With regards to you Peekaboo, Yes, i did know they were the first retailer to introduce Fairtrade products as I often purchase them, although the Fairtrade Coffee is not particularly appetising so i'd rather stick to my Nescafe. But I do get where you are coming from.
It is not always the things that customers see that they need to be aware of, a lot of things are behind walls/doors, such as the gyms in their headoffices, only the staff are aware of them (unless a bit of research is done). They are a great company and I have been one of their 'owners' (having had my dividend, now membership card, for many years) and I receive a lot from it. Only last month I got about £30 of vouchers back from using my membership card, and unlike Tesco with their Clubcard you are able to exchange this for cash and spend it wherever you wish if not back at the Co-Op. So YES they do do a lot for their customers! You just need to show a bit of interest and see what they
have to offer!

Do let me assure you that as my husband is neither deaf nor in his dotage he heard perfectly well what was said, and it certainly wasn't whispered, either in a chinese fashion or otherwise!!
I will pass on your concerns to hubby and I'm sure when he is next in the store he will have a word with the manageress, and ensure that this person "if any" is spoken to.

[Yorkshireman]

marygill, on 23 August 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

Do let me assure you that as my husband is neither deaf nor in his dotage he heard perfectly well what was said, and it certainly wasn't whispered, either in a chinese fashion or otherwise!!
I will pass on your concerns to hubby and I'm sure when he is next in the store he will have a word with the manageress, and ensure that this person "if any" is spoken to.

I apologise if that is how it sounded, I did not mean for you interpret it in a way that i was saying your husband was deaf etc. But there could be a bit of a misunderstanding on either side (your husband, or the staff) There are a few new members to the Co-Op team who may not be in full light as to what is going on and may not have known fully what to say if they were asked, presuming your husband asked them what was happening rather than them bringing it out of the blue?

[wharfedalegas]

Yorkshireman, on 23 August 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

I apologise if that is how it sounded, I did not mean for you interpret it in a way that i was saying your husband was deaf etc. But there could be a bit of a misunderstanding on either side (your husband, or the staff) There are a few new members to the Co-Op team who may not be in full light as to what is going on and may not have known fully what to say if they were asked, presuming your husband asked them what was happening rather than them bringing it out of the blue?

I remember a member of staff telling me that Leeds United were a good team , I didn't believe that and I don't believe that they would know what is going at at regional office !!

As Yorkshireman said and Matt previously lets stick to the facts !!

[peekaboo]

wharfedalegas, on 23 August 2011 - 06:11 PM, said:

I remember a member of staff telling me that Leeds United were a good team , I didn't believe that and I don't believe that they would know what is going at at regional office !!

As Yorkshireman said and Matt previously lets stick to the facts !!

yes well said! thankyou.

[ex-user]

peekaboo, on 23 August 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

i am going to write a jitty to you all bcause i cant stop laughing at the person who said......
if you write like this
it is easier
for people
=============//================//=============================
i use both these amenitys and they are both in need of repair
so lets be practical and alittle more fair!!
lets get facts and stop the anger
produced because of people slander. .......

Good post!
Don't agree with all your points
but
Very easy to follow your chain
of thought!
®evolution works!

[PhilD]

greenhowleadman, on 24 August 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

Good post!
Don't agree with all your points
but
Very easy to follow your chain
of thought!
®evolution works!

so who's off topic now? give it a rest

[ex-user]

I am not sure what more there is to say
on this subject.

Half the posters
Feel the proposal is a good idea
and can see no skulduggery.
They feel the Co-Op should get
special treatment.
An exclusive deal
A 99 year golden opportunity.

Others are asking
what have the Co-Op done for us?
We don't buy the local angle
Not impressed by a hamper
and don't believe the hype.

We wonder about the fairness
and the fundamentals
of free trade
fair trade right here
where the best offer wins
not secret deals.

Some care little about the issue in hand
caring more about the adversarial opportunity
that ridiculing someone doing something
different brings.

Interview more than one candidate
when you have a job to offer!
Don't give it to the scruffy one
just because he happens to be there.
Offer this opportunity
to all!

[wharfedalegas]

greenhowleadman, on 25 August 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

I am not sure what more there is to say
on this subject.

Half the posters
Feel the proposal is a good idea
and can see no skulduggery.
They feel the Co-Op should get
special treatment.
An exclusive deal
A 99 year golden opportunity.

Others are asking
what have the Co-Op done for us?
We don't buy the local angle
Not impressed by a hamper
and don't believe the hype.

We wonder about the fairness
and the fundamentals
of free trade
fair trade right here
where the best offer wins
not secret deals.

Some care little about the issue in hand
caring more about the adversarial opportunity
that ridiculing someone doing something
different brings.

Interview more than one candidate
when you have a job to offer!
Don't give it to the scruffy one
just because he happens to be there.
Offer this opportunity
to all!

I am sure there is plenty to debate ,
as long as that debate is based on the facts.

As present there has been no planning application logged.

Just an outline proposal which the co op and BPC
have invited to people to discuss and attend a meeting (see below)

I think everyone needs to calm down and see what happens at the meeting in september, and what is in any subsequent planning application.

The Co-Op / Burley Library proposals are understandably generating a lot of interest, both for and against. In order to give everyone a say and ensure the Co-Op and the council can take local views into account, I have asked the Area Co-ordinators Office to support a Special Neighbourhood Forum on the issue. This will take place at the Queen's Hall on Tuesday 6th September at 7:30pm. I am hoping the plans can be made available in the Hall earlier in the evening for viewing as well. Contrary to the Gazette headline the Co-Op does not want to run the library.
The proposal is for Bradford Council to lease the library building to the Co-Op on a 99 year lease, with the Co-Op building a new library on the first floor. I have been assured that no decisions will be made before the consultation meeting on September 6th.
Matt Palmer, Councillor - Wharfedale Ward, BMDC