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[Scoppi]

As suspected a second planning application for Pine Croft has been submitted. This time it is for 7 x 2 bedroom flats. Although the new building has a slightly smaller footprint it more than makes up for it with a much higher roof line as this time one of the flats is in the roof void. The new proposal is still overdominant on the site and will add significantly to traffic problems on Prospect Road. But don`t take my word for it have a look www.bradford.gov.uk/publicaccess application number 09/01472/FUL. It is our intention to oppose this application as strongly as we opposed the last. So watch this space

[wharfedalegas]

Yes i,ve seen the plans

What a monster , not in keeping with the village at all !!

I would request any one , who has an intrest of Burley to object .

[Scoppi]

Thanks Wharfedalegas ... our sentiments exactly. The issue is that the developer doesnt have any interest in what happens in Burley and is simply in for the cash. The people that live there dont want it developed for flats, the neighbours dont want it developed for flats... indeed the 40+ objections last time (and I hope more this time) dont want it developed. It should fail the planning regs anyway (Unitary Development Plan D1 re height / mass / appropriateness to locality etc) but it is a monster and it is taking up and wasting a lot of very busy peoples time, effort and financial resource ! I just hope everyone (inc the planners) see it the way you and I do !

[Scoppi]

By the way Wharfedalegas, last time you suggested looking into what the highways said re Prospect Road when The Copse was built. The answer is ' Access onto Prospect Road is totally unacceptable on the grounds of highway safety' and 'No acceptable access could be created from any point along Prospect Road frontage' , also 'No vehicular access will be allowed onto Prospect Road owing to the bends in the road which severely restrict visibility'
Basically there should be no additional cars given access onto to Prospect Road more than already is the case with the existing houses / bungalow !

[phillip]

Again the new revised plans show a building which is not in keeping with the surrounding area and there are still safety issues on Prospect Rd.

I have noticed this evening i am having difficulty accessing the plans on the council website.They do say they will not be available between the 18th and 20th April due to maintenance.Anyone who would like to see a copy over the weekend should post a comment and some how copies will be made available.

I totally agree the new plans show the building to be a complete monster not just in size but also in appearance!

Lets keep up the objections and look after our village

[blunt pencil]

Would we be able to get a copy of the plan posted on the forum.

Is there a standard letter that could be posted, so that anyone who wishes to - can print it off, put their name on it and send it in.

Anything to make it easy to take things forward and raise awareness

[Scoppi]

Hi 'blunt pencil'
Ive tried to respond twice but the system fails when I inc a URL or take too long ... so Im trying again in bite sized chunks.
It is not easy to download the proposal as there are quite a few docs. The best option is to go to the planning website which is easy to use.
You can access at http://www.bradford....uk/publicaccess
The planning ref is 09/01472/FUL
You can e mail Emma Cosgrif at planning.consultations@bradford.gov.uk
I will seperately post some objection points

[Scoppi]

A few reasons for objecting... and there are many more you could choose from....

1) Road traffic / safety issues on Prospect Road. The development cannot achieve the necessary visibility splays which make it dangerous. The extra traffic and service vehicles will make Prospect Road very congested esp at peak times. For pedestriuans cars and busses already mount the pavement so the whole situation gets a whole lot worse.
2) Overlooking, overshadowing and overbearing - The proposed development is between 2 and 3.5 m higher than the surrounding properties. It has a huge mass and will dominate the plot of land it is on, the neighbouring properties, the locality and indeed the Burley skyline. It also has living room windows overlooking neighbours which will impact privacy and amenity for both the potential residents of the flats and also for the existing properties.
3)Our of keeping - It is not of a design, size or shape that is in keeping with the locality. Not just based on its mass and that it is flats but because of the materials used and the shape of the property which just looks wrong. It is clear that the developers just want to try and make a quick return and do not care about Burley at all. Interestingly by the time they have paid the development and land there wont be any profit...
4) Service access for bins and bikes is very difficult if not impossible without creating more issues. In addition there is no provision for disabled / elderly.
5) More trees will need to be cut down in addition to the beautiful trees that have already been lost.

Trust this helps

[wharfedalegas]

I gather there was a parish council meeting last night , to provide a recomendation on the planning application for the "Monster" @ Pine Croft
Does any one have any news .


Wharfedalegas

[Scoppi]

Yes, The Parish Council are going to recommend that the `monster`is rejected basically on the same grounds as last time. (there is not alot of difference between the plans really) Over development of the site, Overlooking and overbearing on surrounding properties, Road safety on Prospect Road, Particularly in light of the fact that the highways department were adament that there should be no vehicle accessfrom Prospect road when The Copse was built. I`m sure there were others and the word ugly springs to mind although I`m not sure it`s a valid reason for complaint!!!!! Thanks for asking

[wharfedalegas]

Glad to hear that !!

Just hope that Shipley panel take the same line.

I would like to ask any one who has not logged a complaint to still do it , as this "Monster" will affect a lot of people in Burley , not just the houses close by, this is not just a "nimby" protest from "the Copse"

Thanks

Wharfedalegas

[Scoppi]

The saga continues.. the developers architect has put in an amended design and access statement (still with a number of inaccuracies and misleading statements), they have also amended a couple of inaccuracies in their previously incomplete and inadequate plans. Most interestingly they have now put forwards their highways statement. This is worth looking at and raising futher objections. They are suggesting it will be ok to leave the bins on the footpath outside Pine Croft, they indicate footpath widths wider than they are to enable them to show the maximum 'visibility splay' and they have completely misrepresented Prospect Road when showing the turning circles or 'swept paths'.
All in all another poor and misleading document aimed at getting the planners to think its all ok when it absolutely is not.
If you werethinking of objecting to this proposed development it is not too late. They will miss the 8 week target because of the objections so far, the objection from Burley Parish Council and the inadequate application. I understand we have until the 18th May now to get objections in.. so if you were going to and havent yet then please do , and if you have already but want to comment on the highways statement then that would be great also !
It is fantastic to see the level of objections to this proposal (now topping 50 individual written objections)... keep Burley as a village and lets keep control over the level of development in our village ! THANKS !

[Grumpy]

What a load of Nimby tosh. The residents dont like it because it might overlook them. Well that's tough but practically every building overlooks another to some extent. Have any of you people ever been on Prospect Road? There is a congestion problem because half a dozen or so motorists park on the road all day and block the 2 way flow, inconveniencing hundreds. There is hardly anywhere in Burley that cant be walked from the station in 15-20minutes. So why not simply put yellow lines down and solve the problem? A few lardy motorists might actually have to walk from Scalebor but do them good. Similarly the worst times of day for traffic on the road is when the lardy mums are ferrying their little darlings to/from Burley Woodhead school. Do them, the kids, and the environment good if they walked.
These are problems that need dealing with now irrespective of any development. The amount of traffic to be generated by these flats would be insignificant compared to the present volume (and given the proximity to the station and schools the occupiers are more likely to walk)

[Harveybos]

The Bradford Planning Website is now listing the latest planning application as withdrawn!

[wharfedalegas]

Looks like a "tactacal" withdraw .

This will not be the last we hear of the "Battle of Pinecroft"

[Scoppi]

Yep it has been withdrawn. I for one feel very frustrated by it all and would have preferred it to have gone to panel so we could have determined the planning departments view on the whole thing. Meanwhile thanks to everyone who has been supportive in opposing the application. Again I would like to reiterate that we are not against development persay, but it must not exacerbate road safety issues and must be inkeeping with the surrounding area. We wait to see if there will be a round 3, but meanwhile cannot help thinking that to submit such a incomplete badly put together application is a waste of everyones time, money and effort.

[wharfedalegas]

I have had notification of the plans to build a house in the Garden of 14A The Copse , which will have access on to Propect Rd . I know a lot of people of Burley were concerned with the traffic related safety problems raised with the proposed "Pine Croft" development eariler this year. Therefore if you would like to object please do !

[wharfedalegas]

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Yep it has been withdrawn. I for one feel very frustrated by it all and would have preferred it to have gone to panel so we could have determined the planning departments view on the whole thing. Meanwhile thanks to everyone who has been supportive in opposing the application. Again I would like to reiterate that we are not against development persay, but it must not exacerbate road safety issues and must be inkeeping with the surrounding area. We wait to see if there will be a round 3, but meanwhile cannot help thinking that to submit such a incomplete badly put together application is a waste of everyones time, money and effort.

I have just had notification of a new planning application.

So round 3 begins .

Although objection have to be logged by the 7th May , which is in just over 2 weeks time , with a bank holiday in the middle, there is no detailed plans as yet on the Bradford Council Web site !

[Sebastian-Smythe]

What a load of NIMBY tosh. Really! Where once a realtively calm area, with trees and shrubs, with birds and animals, with everything the Lardy's come to the valley for, has now been covered with hard landscape, trees felled, no sign of Deer and about a hundred not much in character abodes. Where? The Wells House Estate in Ilkley.

You fight it Burley folk. I'll be among you somewhere. The village has enough rubbish built of late. Time to listen to those voices who care. If that means being a NIMBY, so be it.

[Sebastian-Smythe]

Is this what you were looking for re replies - mailto:planning.applications@bradford.gov.uk